you were quite helpful with the suggestion below on my previous problem, your suggestion worked until today. Now all of a sudden my website is using Greek text rather than the ?. So for example, "know enough" becomes “know enough”. Might I trouble you again for a suggestion? Also, do you know where I can learn more about this - like what's causing it to suddenly change even when I haven't updated the post. One day it's fine, then bam, it's whacked. My ISP got a new server - are they doing something on their end that's causing this?
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:0BE8598F-0AFA-49BC-A701-CEC3736AB53B@microsoft.com...> >I update a website every week - now this week, something strange is going > >on.> > Special characters such as tabs, ', - or " are being turned into ? on the> > website. It looks fine when I preview it.> >
If I go to View, Encoding in IE (6.0), it shows Unicode (UTF-8) is > > selected.> > If I manually change it to Western European (Windows) then the page > > displays> > correctly.> >
Does anybody have a fix for this? Is there some setting in Publisher to > > tell> > it to use Western European or something? I can't have viewers having ? all> > over the place or having to change this setting on every page.> >
I also don't understand why after years of doing the same process that > > this> > is suddenly happening. I even tried it on different computers and had the> > same result. I contacted my ISP and they have a new server and said there> > could be some security settings that are causing the problem. I also noted> > that another site on their server created using Publisher 2002 is doing > > the> > same thing - and no changes have been made to it in about a month.> >
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:16891D5F-E46F-4013-A0A8-92F09B3C8D86@microsoft.com...> you were quite helpful with the suggestion below on my previous problem,> your suggestion worked until today. Now all of a sudden my website is > using> Greek text rather than the ?. So for example, "know enough" becomes > в?oknow> enoughв?ќ. Might I trouble you again for a suggestion? Also, do you know> where I can learn more about this - like what's causing it to suddenly > change> even when I haven't updated the post. One day it's fine, then bam, it's> whacked. My ISP got a new server - are they doing something on their end> that's causing this?>
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message>> news:0BE8598F-0AFA-49BC-A701-CEC3736AB53B@microsoft.com...>> >I update a website every week - now this week, something strange is >> >going>> >on.>> > Special characters such as tabs, ', - or " are being turned into ? on >> > the>> > website. It looks fine when I preview it.>> >
If I go to View, Encoding in IE (6.0), it shows Unicode (UTF-8) is>> > selected.>> > If I manually change it to Western European (Windows) then the page>> > displays>> > correctly.>> >
Does anybody have a fix for this? Is there some setting in Publisher to>> > tell>> > it to use Western European or something? I can't have viewers having ? >> > all>> > over the place or having to change this setting on every page.>> >
I also don't understand why after years of doing the same process that>> > this>> > is suddenly happening. I even tried it on different computers and had >> > the>> > same result. I contacted my ISP and they have a new server and said >> > there>> > could be some security settings that are causing the problem. I also >> > noted>> > that another site on their server created using Publisher 2002 is doing>> > the>> > same thing - and no changes have been made to it in about a month.>> >
Just a note on this, using what you told me before, I experimented. You said to chose the Unicode (UTF-8) and that worked for a few days then the Greek showed up, so I tried dumping hte main site using Western European ISO and then I reposted it and that fixed it (at least for now). The link above is a smaller (less traffic) site that I didn't fix so I could show you how it all was.
My concern is that it will get whacked out again - I believe something is happening at the ISPs end, but they don't know what it could be. This problem all started when they got a new server and now we fear nightly upgrades the server does might have something to do with it. This is why I want to understand this better.
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:16891D5F-E46F-4013-A0A8-92F09B3C8D86@microsoft.com...> > you were quite helpful with the suggestion below on my previous problem,> > your suggestion worked until today. Now all of a sudden my website is > > using> > Greek text rather than the ?. So for example, "know enough" becomes > > Гў?oknow> > enoughГў?Вќ. Might I trouble you again for a suggestion? Also, do you know> > where I can learn more about this - like what's causing it to suddenly > > change> > even when I haven't updated the post. One day it's fine, then bam, it's> > whacked. My ISP got a new server - are they doing something on their end> > that's causing this?> >
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message> >> news:0BE8598F-0AFA-49BC-A701-CEC3736AB53B@microsoft.com...> >> >I update a website every week - now this week, something strange is > >> >going> >> >on.> >> > Special characters such as tabs, ', - or " are being turned into ? on > >> > the> >> > website. It looks fine when I preview it.> >> >
If I go to View, Encoding in IE (6.0), it shows Unicode (UTF-8) is> >> > selected.> >> > If I manually change it to Western European (Windows) then the page> >> > displays> >> > correctly.> >> >
Does anybody have a fix for this? Is there some setting in Publisher to> >> > tell> >> > it to use Western European or something? I can't have viewers having ? > >> > all> >> > over the place or having to change this setting on every page.> >> >
I also don't understand why after years of doing the same process that> >> > this> >> > is suddenly happening. I even tried it on different computers and had > >> > the> >> > same result. I contacted my ISP and they have a new server and said > >> > there> >> > could be some security settings that are causing the problem. I also > >> > noted> >> > that another site on their server created using Publisher 2002 is doing> >> > the> >> > same thing - and no changes have been made to it in about a month.> >> >
David Bartosik 15 March 2005 01:37:33 [ permanent link ]
The server just sends the html file to the browser client. The server is stupid, it's not doing anything to your html files. It's the browser that is rendering the html and it's the browser client side that is generating this end result. And the browser is just doing (usually) what the html tells it to do. There's no hidden rocket science to it.
You can view the html source in the browser (IE) by going to View menu, Source. When I view the source I see the following line...
EN'> This time of the year seems to be a difficult one. People face
The question here in this line is Why are there spaces between the close tag and the word "this". Apparently there is some hex character in there and the browser renders them as the "A" seen in the browser.
Now I saw in the top of the source that the encoding is set to UTF8. The only reason UTF8 needs to be used is if you are doing something on the page that will create unsupported characters (more on this in a minute). I went to the View menu, Encoding and set the encoding to UTF8 and all the strange characters disappeared and the page rendered properly. At which point I could see that there is an indent before "this" in the first paragraph. And that tells me a lot.
You are getting funny html because of formatting you are doing in the publisher document. For example delete that paragraph indent (the indent hex character is why you would need the UTF8).
You need to remove all paragraph formatting styles from your page and set the encoding back to Western European. Do not apply "print document" paragraph formatting styles to a "web publication". They aren't supported.
You'd be hard pressed to find a web site that indented it's content. But if you can't live without it then just type in space characters, that will result in outputting html space characters, which when viewed in Source you'll see this -
Just a note on this, using what you told me before, I experimented. You > said> to chose the Unicode (UTF-8) and that worked for a few days then the Greek> showed up, so I tried dumping hte main site using Western European ISO and> then I reposted it and that fixed it (at least for now). The link above is > a> smaller (less traffic) site that I didn't fix so I could show you how it > all> was.>
My concern is that it will get whacked out again - I believe something is> happening at the ISPs end, but they don't know what it could be. This > problem> all started when they got a new server and now we fear nightly upgrades > the> server does might have something to do with it. This is why I want to> understand this better.>
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message>> news:16891D5F-E46F-4013-A0A8-92F09B3C8D86@microsoft.com...>> > you were quite helpful with the suggestion below on my previous >> > problem,>> > your suggestion worked until today. Now all of a sudden my website is>> > using>> > Greek text rather than the ?. So for example, "know enough" becomes>> > в?oknow>> > enoughв?ќ. Might I trouble you again for a suggestion? Also, do you >> > know>> > where I can learn more about this - like what's causing it to suddenly>> > change>> > even when I haven't updated the post. One day it's fine, then bam, it's>> > whacked. My ISP got a new server - are they doing something on their >> > end>> > that's causing this?>> >
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message>> >> news:0BE8598F-0AFA-49BC-A701-CEC3736AB53B@microsoft.com...>> >> >I update a website every week - now this week, something strange is>> >> >going>> >> >on.>> >> > Special characters such as tabs, ', - or " are being turned into ? >> >> > on>> >> > the>> >> > website. It looks fine when I preview it.>> >> >
If I go to View, Encoding in IE (6.0), it shows Unicode (UTF-8) is>> >> > selected.>> >> > If I manually change it to Western European (Windows) then the page>> >> > displays>> >> > correctly.>> >> >
Does anybody have a fix for this? Is there some setting in Publisher >> >> > to>> >> > tell>> >> > it to use Western European or something? I can't have viewers having >> >> > ?>> >> > all>> >> > over the place or having to change this setting on every page.>> >> >
I also don't understand why after years of doing the same process >> >> > that>> >> > this>> >> > is suddenly happening. I even tried it on different computers and >> >> > had>> >> > the>> >> > same result. I contacted my ISP and they have a new server and said>> >> > there>> >> > could be some security settings that are causing the problem. I also>> >> > noted>> >> > that another site on their server created using Publisher 2002 is >> >> > doing>> >> > the>> >> > same thing - and no changes have been made to it in about a month.>> >> >
What you say makes sense, but what doesn't make sense is why can I post it, and it'll be fine for several days, then suddenly all my pages have strange characters. I understand that I'm probably not using proper fomatting at times. The content for this site comes to me from 100 sources, I just copy and paste it into publisher. I'll have to be more careful. But what I don't get is why one day it's fine then bam, something happens and it's all funky again.
For 4 years, I've done this exact process - strange indents and all with no problems. Then one day after it's appeared fine for days, the ? appear that I spoke of in my first email. So I redump with the UTF-8 as you suggested - and all was fine - but only for a few days, then it started displaying the Greek - I checked it on different machines, so it's not just my browser.
A website that I posted ages ago and haven't touched since also had the same problems - they're fine then they're not. Something somewhere is changing and that's what's puzzling. Why does the browser render the hex character fine one day and not the next?
Thanks.
"David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" wrote:
The server just sends the html file to the browser client. The server is > stupid, it's not doing anything to your html files. It's the browser that is > rendering the html and it's the browser client side that is generating this > end result.> And the browser is just doing (usually) what the html tells it to do. > There's no hidden rocket science to it.>
You can view the html source in the browser (IE) by going to View menu, > Source.> When I view the source I see the following line...>
EN'> This time of the year seems to be a difficult one. People face>
The question here in this line is Why are there spaces between the close tag > and the word "this". Apparently there is some hex character in there and the > browser renders them as the "A" seen in the browser.>
Now I saw in the top of the source that the encoding is set to UTF8.> The only reason UTF8 needs to be used is if you are doing something on the > page that will create unsupported characters (more on this in a minute).> I went to the View menu, Encoding and set the encoding to UTF8 and all the > strange characters disappeared and the page rendered properly.> At which point I could see that there is an indent before "this" in the > first paragraph. And that tells me a lot.>
You are getting funny html because of formatting you are doing in the > publisher document. For example delete that paragraph indent (the indent hex > character is why you would need the UTF8).>
You need to remove all paragraph formatting styles from your page and set > the encoding back to Western European.> Do not apply "print document" paragraph formatting styles to a "web > publication". They aren't supported.>
You'd be hard pressed to find a web site that indented it's content. But if > you can't live without it then just type in space characters, that will > result in outputting html space characters, which when viewed in Source > you'll see this - >
Just a note on this, using what you told me before, I experimented. You > > said> > to chose the Unicode (UTF-8) and that worked for a few days then the Greek> > showed up, so I tried dumping hte main site using Western European ISO and> > then I reposted it and that fixed it (at least for now). The link above is > > a> > smaller (less traffic) site that I didn't fix so I could show you how it > > all> > was.> >
My concern is that it will get whacked out again - I believe something is> > happening at the ISPs end, but they don't know what it could be. This > > problem> > all started when they got a new server and now we fear nightly upgrades > > the> > server does might have something to do with it. This is why I want to> > understand this better.> >
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message> >> news:16891D5F-E46F-4013-A0A8-92F09B3C8D86@microsoft.com...> >> > you were quite helpful with the suggestion below on my previous > >> > problem,> >> > your suggestion worked until today. Now all of a sudden my website is> >> > using> >> > Greek text rather than the ?. So for example, "know enough" becomes> >> > Гў?oknow> >> > enoughГў?Вќ. Might I trouble you again for a suggestion? Also, do you > >> > know> >> > where I can learn more about this - like what's causing it to suddenly> >> > change> >> > even when I haven't updated the post. One day it's fine, then bam, it's> >> > whacked. My ISP got a new server - are they doing something on their > >> > end> >> > that's causing this?> >> >
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message> >> >> news:0BE8598F-0AFA-49BC-A701-CEC3736AB53B@microsoft.com...> >> >> >I update a website every week - now this week, something strange is> >> >> >going> >> >> >on.> >> >> > Special characters such as tabs, ', - or " are being turned into ? > >> >> > on> >> >> > the> >> >> > website. It looks fine when I preview it.> >> >> >
If I go to View, Encoding in IE (6.0), it shows Unicode (UTF-8) is> >> >> > selected.> >> >> > If I manually change it to Western European (Windows) then the page> >> >> > displays> >> >> > correctly.> >> >> >
Does anybody have a fix for this? Is there some setting in Publisher > >> >> > to> >> >> > tell> >> >> > it to use Western European or something? I can't have viewers having > >> >> > ?> >> >> > all> >> >> > over the place or having to change this setting on every page.> >> >> >
I also don't understand why after years of doing the same process > >> >> > that> >> >> > this> >> >> > is suddenly happening. I even tried it on different computers and > >> >> > had> >> >> > the> >> >> > same result. I contacted my ISP and they have a new server and said> >> >> > there> >> >> > could be some security settings that are causing the problem. I also> >> >> > noted> >> >> > that another site on their server created using Publisher 2002 is > >> >> > doing> >> >> > the> >> >> > same thing - and no changes have been made to it in about a month.> >> >> >
David Bartosik 15 March 2005 03:20:31 [ permanent link ]
Browsers cache pages. Between your doing new site uploads and the browser caches what you describe is possible.
To be accurate in testing you would need to...
- delete all site files off the server before a new upload so only fresh files are on the site. - delete the browser cache each time you view a page (IE: Tools, internet options, delete files)
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:1775B6E5-D299-4C29-8578-6845C9AE2A37@microsoft.com...> What you say makes sense, but what doesn't make sense is why can I post > it,> and it'll be fine for several days, then suddenly all my pages have > strange> characters. I understand that I'm probably not using proper fomatting at> times. The content for this site comes to me from 100 sources, I just copy> and paste it into publisher. I'll have to be more careful. But what I > don't> get is why one day it's fine then bam, something happens and it's all > funky> again.>
For 4 years, I've done this exact process - strange indents and all with > no> problems. Then one day after it's appeared fine for days, the ? appear > that I> spoke of in my first email. So I redump with the UTF-8 as you suggested - > and> all was fine - but only for a few days, then it started displaying the > Greek> - I checked it on different machines, so it's not just my browser.>
A website that I posted ages ago and haven't touched since also had the > same> problems - they're fine then they're not. Something somewhere is changing > and> that's what's puzzling. Why does the browser render the hex character fine> one day and not the next?>
Thanks.>
"David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" wrote:>
The server just sends the html file to the browser client. The server is>> stupid, it's not doing anything to your html files. It's the browser that >> is>> rendering the html and it's the browser client side that is generating >> this>> end result.>> And the browser is just doing (usually) what the html tells it to do.>> There's no hidden rocket science to it.>>
You can view the html source in the browser (IE) by going to View menu,>> Source.>> When I view the source I see the following line...>>
EN'> This time of the year seems to be a difficult one. People >> face>>
The question here in this line is Why are there spaces between the close >> tag>> and the word "this". Apparently there is some hex character in there and >> the>> browser renders them as the "A" seen in the browser.>>
Now I saw in the top of the source that the encoding is set to UTF8.>> The only reason UTF8 needs to be used is if you are doing something on >> the>> page that will create unsupported characters (more on this in a minute).>> I went to the View menu, Encoding and set the encoding to UTF8 and all >> the>> strange characters disappeared and the page rendered properly.>> At which point I could see that there is an indent before "this" in the>> first paragraph. And that tells me a lot.>>
You are getting funny html because of formatting you are doing in the>> publisher document. For example delete that paragraph indent (the indent >> hex>> character is why you would need the UTF8).>>
You need to remove all paragraph formatting styles from your page and set>> the encoding back to Western European.>> Do not apply "print document" paragraph formatting styles to a "web>> publication". They aren't supported.>>
You'd be hard pressed to find a web site that indented it's content. But >> if>> you can't live without it then just type in space characters, that will>> result in outputting html space characters, which when viewed in Source>> you'll see this ->>
Just a note on this, using what you told me before, I experimented. You>> > said>> > to chose the Unicode (UTF-8) and that worked for a few days then the >> > Greek>> > showed up, so I tried dumping hte main site using Western European ISO >> > and>> > then I reposted it and that fixed it (at least for now). The link above >> > is>> > a>> > smaller (less traffic) site that I didn't fix so I could show you how >> > it>> > all>> > was.>> >
My concern is that it will get whacked out again - I believe something >> > is>> > happening at the ISPs end, but they don't know what it could be. This>> > problem>> > all started when they got a new server and now we fear nightly upgrades>> > the>> > server does might have something to do with it. This is why I want to>> > understand this better.>> >
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message>> >> news:16891D5F-E46F-4013-A0A8-92F09B3C8D86@microsoft.com...>> >> > you were quite helpful with the suggestion below on my previous>> >> > problem,>> >> > your suggestion worked until today. Now all of a sudden my website >> >> > is>> >> > using>> >> > Greek text rather than the ?. So for example, "know enough" becomes>> >> > в?oknow>> >> > enoughв?ќ. Might I trouble you again for a suggestion? Also, do you>> >> > know>> >> > where I can learn more about this - like what's causing it to >> >> > suddenly>> >> > change>> >> > even when I haven't updated the post. One day it's fine, then bam, >> >> > it's>> >> > whacked. My ISP got a new server - are they doing something on their>> >> > end>> >> > that's causing this?>> >> >
"dawnvk" <dawnvk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message>> >> >> news:0BE8598F-0AFA-49BC-A701-CEC3736AB53B@microsoft.com...>> >> >> >I update a website every week - now this week, something strange >> >> >> >is>> >> >> >going>> >> >> >on.>> >> >> > Special characters such as tabs, ', - or " are being turned into >> >> >> > ?>> >> >> > on>> >> >> > the>> >> >> > website. It looks fine when I preview it.>> >> >> >
If I go to View, Encoding in IE (6.0), it shows Unicode (UTF-8) >> >> >> > is>> >> >> > selected.>> >> >> > If I manually change it to Western European (Windows) then the >> >> >> > page>> >> >> > displays>> >> >> > correctly.>> >> >> >
Does anybody have a fix for this? Is there some setting in >> >> >> > Publisher>> >> >> > to>> >> >> > tell>> >> >> > it to use Western European or something? I can't have viewers >> >> >> > having>> >> >> > ?>> >> >> > all>> >> >> > over the place or having to change this setting on every page.>> >> >> >
I also don't understand why after years of doing the same process>> >> >> > that>> >> >> > this>> >> >> > is suddenly happening. I even tried it on different computers and>> >> >> > had>> >> >> > the>> >> >> > same result. I contacted my ISP and they have a new server and >> >> >> > said>> >> >> > there>> >> >> > could be some security settings that are causing the problem. I >> >> >> > also>> >> >> > noted>> >> >> > that another site on their server created using Publisher 2002 is>> >> >> > doing>> >> >> > the>> >> >> > same thing - and no changes have been made to it in about a >> >> >> > month.>> >> >> >
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