Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!
I have re-entered my licence key, but it is now refusing that!
In <news:MPG.1c63876c1afd584d989687@text.news.ntlworld.com> you wrote:
Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some > reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has > now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!> I have re-entered my licence key, but it is now refusing that!
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:17:45 GMT, Gaz <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some >reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has >now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!>
I have re-entered my licence key, but it is now refusing that!>
Is anybody else having any such problems?>
Thanks in advance.
Same here... this seems to have happened today. Coincidentally (or not), their support forums are also down... I seem to remember a stickied post about this problem in their forums, but oh well. I hope this gets resolved soon. (yes, I emailed them too, but I'd be surprised to hear back anytime soon)
Solarbeat <nomail@nospam.please> wrote in news:la6jv0dgrcm60pf1mf8fnkfvq4ddhbnbp3@4ax.com:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:17:45 GMT, Gaz <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote:>
Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some >>reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has >>now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!>>
I have re-entered my licence key, but it is now refusing that!>>
Is anybody else having any such problems?>>
Thanks in advance.>
Same here... this seems to have happened today. Coincidentally (or> not), their support forums are also down... I seem to remember a> stickied post about this problem in their forums, but oh well. I hope> this gets resolved soon. (yes, I emailed them too, but I'd be> surprised to hear back anytime soon)
Make that three of us. It won't take my key, says it's expired. Can't get into forums either.
I'm sure it'll get resolved, Spiral's always seemed honest, but very, very, very slow.
Virgil wrote:> Solarbeat <nomail@nospam.please> wrote in> news:la6jv0dgrcm60pf1mf8fnkfvq4ddhbnbp3@4ax.com:>
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:17:45 GMT, Gaz <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote:> >
Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some> >>reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has> >>now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!> >>
I have re-entered my licence key, but it is now refusing that!> >>
Is anybody else having any such problems?> >>
Thanks in advance.> >
Same here... this seems to have happened today. Coincidentally (or> > not), their support forums are also down... I seem to remember a> > stickied post about this problem in their forums, but oh well. I
hope> > this gets resolved soon. (yes, I emailed them too, but I'd be> > surprised to hear back anytime soon)>
Make that three of us. It won't take my key, says it's expired. Can't
into forums either.>
I'm sure it'll get resolved, Spiral's always seemed honest, but very,
Daddy Freddy 28 January 2005 14:12:11 [ permanent link ]
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:04:09 -0600, Virgil <pearls_before_swine@mail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
Solarbeat <nomail@nospam.please> wrote in >news:la6jv0dgrcm60pf1mf8fnkfvq4ddhbnbp3@4ax.com:>
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:17:45 GMT, Gaz <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote:>>
Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some >>>reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has >>>now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!>>>
I have re-entered my licence key, but it is now refusing that!>>>
Is anybody else having any such problems?>>>
Thanks in advance.>>
Same here... this seems to have happened today. Coincidentally (or>> not), their support forums are also down... I seem to remember a>> stickied post about this problem in their forums, but oh well. I hope>> this gets resolved soon. (yes, I emailed them too, but I'd be>> surprised to hear back anytime soon)>
Make that three of us. It won't take my key, says it's expired. Can't get >into forums either.
Same here. The entire site is down.
I'm sure it'll get resolved, Spiral's always seemed honest, but very, very, >very slow.
Ironically, the cracked versions work just fine. Nice reward for *our* honesty, eh?
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:12:11 GMT, Daddy Freddy <daddy_freddy@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:04:09 -0600, Virgil <pearls_before_swine@mail.NOSPAM.com>>wrote:>
Solarbeat <nomail@nospam.please> wrote in >>news:la6jv0dgrcm60pf1mf8fnkfvq4ddhbnbp3@4ax.com:>>
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:17:45 GMT, Gaz <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote:>>>
Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some >>>>reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has >>>>now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!>>>>
I have re-entered my licence key, but it is now refusing that!>>>>
Is anybody else having any such problems?>>>>
Thanks in advance.>>>
Same here... this seems to have happened today. Coincidentally (or>>> not), their support forums are also down... I seem to remember a>>> stickied post about this problem in their forums, but oh well. I hope>>> this gets resolved soon. (yes, I emailed them too, but I'd be>>> surprised to hear back anytime soon)>>
Make that three of us. It won't take my key, says it's expired. Can't get >>into forums either. >
Same here. The entire site is down.>
I'm sure it'll get resolved, Spiral's always seemed honest, but very, very, >>very slow. >
Ironically, the cracked versions work just fine. Nice reward for *our* honesty,>eh?
I'll be #4 to post here. You would think that those of us that PAID for it would get some sort of heads-up/advanced warning.
Op Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:48:33 GMT, vondonder <cjspambuffer@yahoo.co.uk> het leuk om dit met ons te delen:>Hiya Gaz.>
In <news:MPG.1c63876c1afd584d989687@text.news.ntlworld.com> you wrote:>
Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some >> reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has >> now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!>> I have re-entered my licence key, but it is now refusing that!>
Have you contacted their support dept?
The entire NewsLeecher site is down, so contacting the support dept will be a problem.
I've got exactly the same problem here. I get the message my key has expired and I'm unable to use the NewsLeecher software. I legally bought it! Re-entering the key does not work; it refuses the legally bought key......
What's going on here ?! -- Met vriendelijke groet, Michiel
In article <1vib7eckbl90y$.dlg@colin-jones.co.uk>, cjspambuffer@yahoo.co.uk says...
Hiya Gaz.>
In <news:MPG.1c63876c1afd584d989687@text.news.ntlworld.com> you wrote:>
Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some > > reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has > > now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!> > I have re-entered my licence key, but it is now refusing that!>
Have you contacted their support dept?>
YEP!
That was the first thing I tried to do!
Yesterday, all of the website ( www.newsleecher.com ) was still accessible, the only execption being that the Forums section was not working!
NOW today, the *WHOLE* of the website is NOT accessible!
As yet they have not yet responded to my email, which I have decided I will send to them atleast once per day!
For others who may wish to consider trying to email them, then the address is support@newsleecher.com
BUT for some reason I have got a bad gut feeling about this!
In article <1106916971.672761.121550 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, CacheMan@gmail.com says...
Do you want to post that somewhere? I have paid as well, but if it is> not running, don't mind using the cracked version.>
Well seeing as it only seems to be us HONEST, paid users of NewsLeecher, who are getting this problem, perhaps anybody with the crack might be willing to share it with us, as I cannot see that those in charge of NewLeecher would have any real arguments aginst us NOW being forced into using the crack, to get a LEGAL copy to work again!
SO yes please post it, either here or in alt.binaries.cracks
Richey Goldberg 28 January 2005 17:22:47 [ permanent link ]
Gaz wrote:> In article <1106916971.672761.121550> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, CacheMan@gmail.com says...>
Do you want to post that somewhere? I have paid as well, but if it
not running, don't mind using the cracked version.> >
Well seeing as it only seems to be us HONEST, paid users of> NewsLeecher, who are getting this problem, perhaps anybody with> the crack might be willing to share it with us, as I cannot see> that those in charge of NewLeecher would have any real arguments> aginst us NOW being forced into using the crack, to get a LEGAL> copy to work again!>
SO yes please post it, either here or in alt.binaries.cracks>
"Gaz" <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1c64592861f4e7c4989689@text.news.ntlworld.com...> In article <1106916971.672761.121550> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, CacheMan@gmail.com says...>
Do you want to post that somewhere? I have paid as well, but if it is>> not running, don't mind using the cracked version.>>
Well seeing as it only seems to be us HONEST, paid users of> NewsLeecher, who are getting this problem, perhaps anybody with> the crack might be willing to share it with us, as I cannot see> that those in charge of NewLeecher would have any real arguments> aginst us NOW being forced into using the crack, to get a LEGAL> copy to work again!>
SO yes please post it, either here or in alt.binaries.cracks>
Best Wishes.
A lesson learned about how software that uses online authentication is BAD. While I'm a fairly happy BNR2 user, I've been keeping my eye on NewsManPro, NewsLeecher and a few others. Now I can drop NewsLeecher from my watch list.
Gaz <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote in news:MPG.1c63876c1afd584d989687 @text.news.ntlworld.com:
Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some > reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has > now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!
glad I saw this message. After trying several new programs (been using Xnews and Powergrab for several year), I was going crazy trying to reach newsleecher.com. Even changed proxies.
Why would your program license depend on their website unless every time you load the program it links to their site.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:17:45 GMT, Gaz <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some >reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has >now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!>
I have re-entered my licence key, but it is now refusing that!>
Is anybody else having any such problems?>
Thanks in advance.
Well, I'm going to give them 1 more day to sort this out with a proper apology before I go to my cc company to get the charges for the s/w reversed.
In article <Xns95EC5D472F9A8baconscanshotmailcom@216.196.97.131>, baconscans@hotmail.com says...
You think they have bailed on the program? >
To be honest with you, I am not *REALLY* sure!
Although I will add and others will know this, if they have using NewsLeecher since before August/September 2004, which is when I decided that I was happy to pay for my copy.
BUT a while back, even before the realease of NL v1 RC1. I think it was about beta version 0.18 or 0.19 the version before I had even heard about NewsLeecher, they had done something to the actual software, that meant all the Licence key that had been bought before that release were suddenly *ALL* not usuable, this meant that *ALL* those who had paid for a copy of NewsLeecher were then required to get a NEW Licence Key, these were free, provided that you were able to prove that you had infact bought your licence.
SO I am wondering if this may be a bit dйja vu, with the same thing happening again, so it might (just might) be that Spiral is happy enough with the "Super Search" fuction, that it could be that he/they (NewsLeecher) about to release a FINAL VERSION of NewsLeecher V2!
Although that/this would not explain, the PROBLEMS with the NL Forums and it certainly would not explain the NO total LOSS of the NL website!
Spriril had been noticibly absent for almost a month.>
Again if I am honest, although I did not use the Forums all that often, well I only used them if they released a new updated version, or if I had a problem!
BUT it is quite common for Spiral to come and go, just as it is common, that you might see a new updated version of NL appear every other day, then spiral will seemingly vanish for a while, so that, like I say is not that unusual!
You guys know of any other forum that we can get newsleecher info?>
NO sadly I do not, so it might be best that we all keep in touch in here for now, unless anybody else knows of anywhere!
In article <1106926808.077617.68790 @c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, jmdavies@gmail.com says...
Oh well, time to find the hack. But let me be sure to say I won't be> spending the $35 a year for your Super Search feature.>
Well I am prepared to give them about a week to get this sorted, BUT as I said previously I will also try to email them atleast twice a day!
Mind you to be honest, I only tried that "Super Seach" feature a few times (when it was first added) and I NEVER got it to work once! So I do not want that anyway, I only want(ed) NL to download bunnies, which it does (did) brilliantly until now!
Although I will add and others will know this, if they have using > NewsLeecher since before August/September 2004, which is when I > decided that I was happy to pay for my copy.
I purchased Newsleecher in June of 04 at beta17. A new key was required to register the next beta. If you stayed at the current beta your old registerd key worked. In THIS case, my registered key says its expiring in 14 days. When all registered users were required to get a new key last time it was announced in the user forum. In THIS case all inquiries to the webiste and forum turn up "Site Suspeneded". Quite a different scenario.
BUT it is quite common for Spiral to come and go, just as it is > common, that you might see a new updated version of NL appear > every other day, then spiral will seemingly vanish for a while, > so that, like I say is not that unusual!
Sure the author would dissapear for a bit in the forums before. But my purchased registration code never, until this point, went with him. Again, quite a different scenario.
Since you didn't visit the forums often, Ill tell you that over the last month, there had been numerous reports of people ordering and not receving their key. Not only were they not recieving their key, but response sent to "support" and directly to Spiril consistently went unanswered. People with legitimate questions were getting ZERO response from "support". Ill say again, hopefully they just have exceeded their bandwidth for the month. But they have a list of registered users email addresses. Failure to at least let us know what the heck is going on is inexcusable.
"NewsLeecher Trouble Usenet app violates TOS, has plug pulled Users in both our filesharing and software forums report that NewsLeecher, a favorite Binary downloading program for usenet, has violated it's TOS and has been shut down. Their host B-One apparently wasn't happy with their bandwidth consumption and pulled the plug. The site is down, and users are having their license keys denied."
In article <Xns95EC7E2C9C561baconscanshotmailcom@216.196.97.131>, baconscans@hotmail.com says...
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Well from that then if my understanding is correct, It would appear that the problem is part of this is the one bit of the software, that I do not use, as surely it is the size of the SuperSearch database and bandwidth that that service requires that is causing the problems, if so then in my view the answer is simple and Spiral should find a new host and then suspend the SuperSearch service until this can be sorted out!
BUT why we should have to be put through all this is another matter, although I do agree with you that have got all the contact details of those paid customer/users of NL and even just advance warning of possible problems via email, should have atleast been attempted!
Don't get the cracked copies, there is instead a demo period removal/renewer prog that removes the third party registry stuff.
You *should* then be able to re-enter your legit serial but first block access to www.newsleecher.com by adding it to your hosts file.
Gaz wrote:> In article <1106916971.672761.121550> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, CacheMan@gmail.com says...>
Do you want to post that somewhere? I have paid as well, but if it is>>not running, don't mind using the cracked version.>>
Well seeing as it only seems to be us HONEST, paid users of > NewsLeecher, who are getting this problem, perhaps anybody with > the crack might be willing to share it with us, as I cannot see > that those in charge of NewLeecher would have any real arguments > aginst us NOW being forced into using the crack, to get a LEGAL > copy to work again!>
SO yes please post it, either here or in alt.binaries.cracks>
Gaz <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote in news:MPG.1c6497706d953a498968d@text.news.ntlworld.com:
In article <Xns95EC7E2C9C561baconscanshotmailcom@216.196.97.131>, > baconscans@hotmail.com says...>
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Well from that then if my understanding is correct, It would > appear that the problem is part of this is the one bit of the > software, that I do not use, as surely it is the size of the > SuperSearch database and bandwidth that that service requires > that is causing the problems, if so then in my view the answer is > simple and Spiral should find a new host and then suspend the > SuperSearch service until this can be sorted out!>
BUT why we should have to be put through all this is another > matter, although I do agree with you that have got all the > contact details of those paid customer/users of NL and even just > advance warning of possible problems via email, should have > atleast been attempted!>
Best Wishes
Here's the email contact for the B-one.net knuckleheads:
"Some Guy" <some@guy.com> wrote in news:nO6dnWpRzd2e0WfcRVn-vA@giganews.com:
"Gaz" <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.1c64592861f4e7c4989689@text.news.ntlworld.com...>> In article <1106916971.672761.121550>> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, CacheMan@gmail.com says...>>
Do you want to post that somewhere? I have paid as well, but if it>>> is not running, don't mind using the cracked version.>>>
Well seeing as it only seems to be us HONEST, paid users of>> NewsLeecher, who are getting this problem, perhaps anybody with>> the crack might be willing to share it with us, as I cannot see>> that those in charge of NewLeecher would have any real arguments>> aginst us NOW being forced into using the crack, to get a LEGAL>> copy to work again!>>
SO yes please post it, either here or in alt.binaries.cracks>>
Best Wishes.>
A lesson learned about how software that uses online authentication is> BAD. While I'm a fairly happy BNR2 user, I've been keeping my eye on> NewsManPro, NewsLeecher and a few others. Now I can drop NewsLeecher> from my watch list.
Which is unfortunate since, IMHO, Newsleecher is easily the best of the bunch. When it works of course.
Daddy Freddy 29 January 2005 01:05:25 [ permanent link ]
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:12:20 GMT, Gaz <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
In article <1106916971.672761.121550>@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, CacheMan@gmail.com says...>
Do you want to post that somewhere? I have paid as well, but if it is>> not running, don't mind using the cracked version.>>
Well seeing as it only seems to be us HONEST, paid users of >NewsLeecher, who are getting this problem, perhaps anybody with >the crack might be willing to share it with us, as I cannot see >that those in charge of NewLeecher would have any real arguments >aginst us NOW being forced into using the crack, to get a LEGAL >copy to work again!>
SO yes please post it, either here or in alt.binaries.cracks
Post it here? Smokest thou what?
It's already all over the place - start in ab.warez.
In <news:28dkv0h5g0a9vkragvtk3aukc0gog6ktmu@4ax.com> you wrote:
Have you contacted their support dept?> The entire NewsLeecher site is down, so contacting the support dept> will be a problem.
Whoops!
I've got exactly the same problem here. I get the message my key has> expired and I'm unable to use the NewsLeecher software. I legally> bought it! Re-entering the key does not work; it refuses the legally> bought key......> What's going on here ?!
Well I know Newsleecher phones home when you load it, maybe they've been forced to stop it working. I see the message "the site has been suspended" on the homepage which is surely not a good sign
Op Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:05:11 GMT, vondonder <cjspambuffer@yahoo.co.uk> het leuk om dit met ons te delen:>Hiya Michielvd.>
In <news:28dkv0h5g0a9vkragvtk3aukc0gog6ktmu@4ax.com> you wrote:>
Have you contacted their support dept?>> The entire NewsLeecher site is down, so contacting the support dept>> will be a problem. >
Whoops!>
I've got exactly the same problem here. I get the message my key has>> expired and I'm unable to use the NewsLeecher software. I legally>> bought it! Re-entering the key does not work; it refuses the legally>> bought key......>> What's going on here ?!>
Well I know Newsleecher phones home when you load it, maybe they've been>forced to stop it working. I see the message "the site has been suspended">on the homepage which is surely not a good sign
As I understood from various forums the hoster of Newsleecher has decided to close down the site for whatever reason. Which makes NL unable to phone home. Quite annoying that the programmer of NL decided to build in a 'phone home' trick and has no back-up site.
Well, I've decided to use a temporary not-100%-legal solution to get NL to work again. Sorry about that . -- Met vriendelijke groet, Michiel
In <news:t8ilv09tsgu0c9eflst3jtn5nsr7okjugg@4ax.com> you wrote:
As I understood from various forums the hoster of Newsleecher has> decided to close down the site for whatever reason. Which makes NL> unable to phone home. Quite annoying that the programmer of NL decided> to build in a 'phone home' trick and has no back-up site.
I liked NL but didn't like it's phone home feature and don't download enough binaries to make a worthwhile purchase. I tried a non-100% method but it gives errors, even though it seems to work, so I decided to use the legally free GrabIt instead. I'm so glad I didn't pay for it now, but I hope for those of you who have, that he finds a new host soon.
On 28 Jan 2005 21:54:11 GMT, Virgil used 32 lines to assert:
"Some Guy" <some@guy.com> wrote in> news:nO6dnWpRzd2e0WfcRVn-vA@giganews.com: >
A lesson learned about how software that uses online authentication is>> BAD. While I'm a fairly happy BNR2 user, I've been keeping my eye on>> NewsManPro, NewsLeecher and a few others. Now I can drop NewsLeecher>> from my watch list.>
Which is unfortunate since, IMHO, Newsleecher is easily the best of the > bunch. When it works of course.
I concur. It's light years above most of the field in core design functionality. NewsMan Pro gets my nod as the only other player in the game whose author does have a serious clue -- and both are dynamic and innovative developed.
/betty/ <no.addr.4.u.equals.no.spam.2.me@simple.isnt.it.invalid> wrote in news:5eum9ujzvsn2$.dlg@betty.invalid:
On 28 Jan 2005 21:54:11 GMT, Virgil used 32 lines to assert:>
"Some Guy" <some@guy.com> wrote in>> news:nO6dnWpRzd2e0WfcRVn-vA@giganews.com: >>
A lesson learned about how software that uses online authentication is>>> BAD. While I'm a fairly happy BNR2 user, I've been keeping my eye on>>> NewsManPro, NewsLeecher and a few others. Now I can drop NewsLeecher>>> from my watch list.>>
Which is unfortunate since, IMHO, Newsleecher is easily the best of the >> bunch. When it works of course.>
I concur. It's light years above most of the field in core design> functionality. NewsMan Pro gets my nod as the only other player in the> game whose author does have a serious clue -- and both are dynamic and> innovative developed.
Newsman Pro? I might give it a try until Spiral gets up and running again.
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:29:47 -0600, Virgil used 22 lines to assert:
/betty/ <no.addr.4.u.equals.no.spam.2.me@simple.isnt.it.invalid> wrote in > news:5eum9ujzvsn2$.dlg@betty.invalid:>
I concur. It's light years above most of the field in core design>> functionality. NewsMan Pro gets my nod as the only other player in the>> game whose author does have a serious clue -- and both are dynamic and>> innovative developed.>
Newsman Pro? I might give it a try until Spiral gets up and running again.
You won't be wasting efforts, just take it on it's merits (is in a different class, targeting different needs and focus than NL). The freeware is not stupidly crippled to be still very usable and I suggest that after initial play you might want to up to the MySQL database. I use the 4.018 off the NMP site.
Also don't expect the sheer UI untuitive design friendliness and speed, nor the same depth of multiplexing model as NL (yet, more to come in v2). Refer the inbuilt Help which explains and shows how you can simulate priority articles-level servers 'plexing, albeit limited via his virtualising workgroups.
Sound confusing? Trust me, its not. If you already appreciate the 'good' of Leecher you'll soon grasp NMP OK.
In article <lqdlv053s5m6rr42kbclupoi176blpqkch@4ax.com>, daddy_freddy@hotmail.com says...
I don't know if you had the chance to notice before the site went down, but the> item offered for sale is no longer the Newsleecher software. Rather, it's a year> subscription to the worthless SuperSearch crap that includes access to the> Newsleecher software to utilize it.>
Greed went and done old Spiril in.>
Well then, that shows that you did could not of noticed, that as of Thursday 27th January, which was the day before the site was closed, there were infact two completely seperate versions of NewsLeecher. BOTH on the same scroll down page.
The first (TOP of the page) version was the version with one years subscription access to the super search function. This was I believe was priced at approx $29 US DOLLARS.
The Second (lower down page) was the Original version of NewsLeecher, with TWO years of program updates and major program revisions AND was WITHOUT the supersearch fuction. This was I believe was priced at approx $34 US DOLLARS.
Mind you it would appear that all this is currently being caused by a "Hosting Problem" which if Spiral(spiril) wishes can easily be sorted out! So atleast we know what the original cause of our problems, which is more than we did this time yesterday.
Op Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:05:11 GMT, vondonder> <cjspambuffer@yahoo.co.uk> > het leuk om dit met ons te delen:>>Hiya Michielvd.>>
In <news:28dkv0h5g0a9vkragvtk3aukc0gog6ktmu@4ax.com> you wrote:>>
Have you contacted their support dept?>>> The entire NewsLeecher site is down, so contacting the support dept>>> will be a problem. >>
Whoops!>>
I've got exactly the same problem here. I get the message my key has>>> expired and I'm unable to use the NewsLeecher software. I legally>>> bought it! Re-entering the key does not work; it refuses the legally>>> bought key......>>> What's going on here ?!>>
Well I know Newsleecher phones home when you load it, maybe they've>> been >>forced to stop it working. I see the message "the site has been>>suspended" on the homepage which is surely not a good sign >
As I understood from various forums the hoster of Newsleecher has> decided to close down the site for whatever reason. Which makes NL> unable to phone home. Quite annoying that the programmer of NL decided> to build in a 'phone home' trick and has no back-up site.>
Well, I've decided to use a temporary not-100%-legal solution to get> NL to work again. Sorry about that .
A reasonable mind would not consider your solution illegal! You paid for the use of the software you are allowed to use it. Had I known that it phoned home for authorization I would not have bought it! I have already asked for a refund. I don't care about the "super search whatever" I like it for it's interface and abilities. I am looking now for a hack for my version one that I am perfectly happy with.
Richey Goldberg 30 January 2005 09:32:41 [ permanent link ]
Has anyone heard anything? I am a little pissed off that I didn't even get a full month out of my copy. I have looked at joker.com (where his domain is registered) and he has not even moved the DNS to another hosting provider. This is totally unacceptable that he would write software that did not have some sort of fail safe to prevent this from happing. At a minimum if something like this were to happen the software should start a trial period with 15 days so that I could use the software while he sorted things out.
Just a little fucking pissed off that it has not worked for 3 days and I have not had a single email returned even from the email address that is listed on the whois of his domain.
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:49:06 GMT, Daddy Freddy used 55 lines to assert:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:12:54 GMT, /betty/> <no.addr.4.u.equals.no.spam.2.me@simple.isnt.it.invalid> wrote:>
I honestly believe poor old Spiril has seriously underestimated the>>potential b/w demands of his Auth and SS toys -- and indeed, in the>>popularity and potential of his humble Usenet client. Slick little tools>>like that grow a userbase very rapidly as word spreads and people try it>>and compare to competition offerings.>
No. It's greed. Plain and simple. He writes a program that serves one purpose> (facilitating the mass theft of pirated music, software, movies, etc.), then> expects nobody to pirate it. Hmm...I guess you're right - that is "immaturity in> business sense.">
Glad we agree on the "business sense immaturity".
I prefer not to point too many fingers at authors of Usenet or other s/w that might get used for certain activity; especially when considering so-called 'credible' mammoth$ like Sony Corp and their Walkman, mfgrs of Optical media and Writers, ad infitintum.
Face it, updates that reset the trial clock were frequent enough that nobody> *needed* to purchase it. Most of us that did would have likely done so even if> it was freeware, and we certainly didn't need to pay for the CrapSearch feature> when GrabIt does it for free (and on a server that can handle the load!).>
I cannot disagree one bit with your arguments. Yes I too registered it in good faith and like you and others really have no interest in the CrapSearch feature.
I find this a very amusing turn of events! After two months of screwing with the> search engine and wrapping the program in feeble copy protection, all the while> ignoring the minor bugs that still need attention, it all comes down to the> pirated versions working and the legit versions not.>
Exactly. I'm now running on a pirated UN and Key, my legit one won't work. Fucking disgusting!
We paid in good faith for a working program *for life*, c/w eligibility for free updates for 2 years.
Hey Spiril - good luck getting anyone to pay for any of your stuff in the> future!
Well first off they've got to get the program working for its legimate licenced users, and *remove* all code that causes it to need authenticating on startup. It must be guaranteed to *never* stop for life, on a legit reg.
Auth should only ever be required for usage of CrapSearch, and then only IF and when a user goes to use it.
But like you say; heaps of PR damage is now done. It will require massive effort in form of goodwill gestures to get its reputation back.
Maybe "Spiril" is a money squanderer who doesn't pay the Hosting fees on time and has flew the coup ?
What is the real name of this "Spiril" anyway? And what state or country jurisdiction is this Crystal Arts Software business registered in?
So is there a crack for v2 RC2? Or will i need to change versions to get a crack running. I still have 12 days on my LEGITIMATE RC2 v2 it says, but as you guys seem to think, I don't think this will get resolved in the short term...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:37:50 -0600, tom trussle used 19 lines to assert:
The only thing I dont understand is why most posters here didnt like> the SuperSearch. I thought it was pretty neat if your looking for a> specific binary. >
SS is probably appealing to casual bin users, and maybe those who'd go for .nzbs a lot; whereas most serious users like to follow their favourite groups at least daily (or more frequent) therefore see all articles that come through it anyway.
SS was also up and down more than the proverbial nun in a cucumber patch too. If it was 99.9% reliable it might be a different matter -- but I still wouldn't pay for it. If I wanted search I'd use Easynews' web crap.
NL's intelligent UI design makes it a breeze to keep up with the flow through even the high traffic groups so why bother? I spend less than 1/4 the time now on what I used to with lame tools like Agent etc to do all my binary work, and I know what's been posted and when.
14 days left and counting down...
Give it monday or tuesday to get some news, weekends are no-no to sort things like that out...
Dr . Needles 31 January 2005 07:21:45 [ permanent link ]
I have a keygen that works on v2 RC2. I just used it yesterday and so far it is working fine. I will post it in alt.binaries.warez. Look for the header "newsleecher keygen"
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:53:20 -0600, Mmmbacon <baconscans@hotmail.com> wrote:
So is there a crack for v2 RC2? Or will i need to change versions to get a >crack running. I still have 12 days on my LEGITIMATE RC2 v2 it says, but >as you guys seem to think, I don't think this will get resolved in the >short term...
Dr.Needles <Dr.Needles@pins.com> wrote in news:v4crv0d1ku83969gt925atnj4g9iitf298@4ax.com:
I have a keygen that works on v2 RC2. I just used it yesterday and so> far it is working fine. I will post it in alt.binaries.warez. Look> for the header "newsleecher keygen">
Thanks brutha, ironic that I need to get a keygen to run my legitimate software.... your help is appreciated.
Same here... this seems to have happened today. Coincidentally (or>not), their support forums are also down... I seem to remember a>stickied post about this problem in their forums, but oh well. I hope>this gets resolved soon. (yes, I emailed them too, but I'd be>surprised to hear back anytime soon)
The only thing I dont understand is why most posters here didnt like the SuperSearch. I thought it was pretty neat if your looking for a specific binary.
How does one find out how many days there are left as I have yet to see it and I have a legit v2RC2 installation that only complains it can't get to SS?
Daddy Freddy 31 January 2005 16:07:50 [ permanent link ]
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:37:50 -0600, tom trussle <tomslnlk@lnone.com> wrote:
Same here... this seems to have happened today. Coincidentally (or>>not), their support forums are also down... I seem to remember a>>stickied post about this problem in their forums, but oh well. I hope>>this gets resolved soon. (yes, I emailed them too, but I'd be>>surprised to hear back anytime soon)>
The only thing I dont understand is why most posters here didnt like>the SuperSearch. I thought it was pretty neat if your looking for a>specific binary.
Its appeal was for the Kazaa/BearShare/etc. noobs who finally got around to "discovering" Usenet.
Most of us have a cluster of groups that we frequent regularly enough to not need a search tool. If you need to find a specific binary, use Easynews as your pay server. Or download GrabIt.
I don't think it was the addition of the SuperSearch that pissed anyone off. It was the fact that it was the sole thing being worked on for the past two months, or at least that's the way it appeared. Bugs like the "invalid argument to date encode" or the inability to decode certain posts that had extra non-encoded text at the beginning or as a footer were being ignored so a theoretical moneymaker for the author could be shoved down our throats. Just take a look at the last few entries on the "Latest News" part of the site. It's all SuperSearch crap.
Latest News:
Jan 05, 2005 Super Search has been down for the last hours due to a memory error. Things have been sorted out now. Sorry for the inconvenience. On a side-note I can tell that NewsLeecher v2.5 beta 1 is currently in development alongside the v2.0 RC1 release, so if everything goes as planned it shouldn't take too long before 2.5 beta 1 is released after the 2.0 final release. Cheers and happy newyear to everybody!
Dec 27, 2004 The Super Search engine is currently being re-structured, so you might experience some downtime when using the search function the next 24 hours time. Sorry for the inconvenience!
Dec 24, 2004 Wishing you all a happy christmas!
Nov 26, 2004 Good Super Search News! ... The reason for the frequent Super Search server crashes has now been found. If turns out that it isn't Super Search itself which crashes the server, but instead a buggy firewall. As soon as the firewall has been replaced, the crashes should finally come to an end. Also, the Super Search article index retention is currently being raised to 50 days of coverage. The full 50 days coverage should be complete in 14 days time.
Daddy Freddy 31 January 2005 16:10:49 [ permanent link ]
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:07:50 GMT, Daddy Freddy <daddy_freddy@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:37:50 -0600, tom trussle <tomslnlk@lnone.com> wrote:>
Same here... this seems to have happened today. Coincidentally (or>>>not), their support forums are also down... I seem to remember a>>>stickied post about this problem in their forums, but oh well. I hope>>>this gets resolved soon. (yes, I emailed them too, but I'd be>>>surprised to hear back anytime soon)>>
The only thing I dont understand is why most posters here didnt like>>the SuperSearch. I thought it was pretty neat if your looking for a>>specific binary. >
Its appeal was for the Kazaa/BearShare/etc. noobs who finally got around to>"discovering" Usenet.>
Most of us have a cluster of groups that we frequent regularly enough to not>need a search tool. If you need to find a specific binary, use Easynews as your>pay server. Or download GrabIt.>
I don't think it was the addition of the SuperSearch that pissed anyone off. It>was the fact that it was the sole thing being worked on for the past two months,>or at least that's the way it appeared. Bugs like the "invalid argument to date>encode" or the inability to decode certain posts that had extra non-encoded text>at the beginning or as a footer were being ignored so a theoretical moneymaker>for the author could be shoved down our throats. Just take a look at the last>few entries on the "Latest News" part of the site. It's all SuperSearch crap.>
Latest News:>
Jan 05, 2005>Super Search has been down for the last hours due to a memory error. Things have>been sorted out now. Sorry for the inconvenience. On a side-note I can tell that>NewsLeecher v2.5 beta 1 is currently in development alongside the v2.0 RC1>release, so if everything goes as planned it shouldn't take too long before 2.5>beta 1 is released after the 2.0 final release. Cheers and happy newyear to>everybody!>
Dec 27, 2004>The Super Search engine is currently being re-structured, so you might>experience some downtime when using the search function the next 24 hours time.>Sorry for the inconvenience! >
Dec 24, 2004>Wishing you all a happy christmas!>
Nov 26, 2004>Good Super Search News! ... The reason for the frequent Super Search server>crashes has now been found. If turns out that it isn't Super Search itself which>crashes the server, but instead a buggy firewall. As soon as the firewall has>been replaced, the crashes should finally come to an end. Also, the Super Search>article index retention is currently being raised to 50 days of coverage. The>full 50 days coverage should be complete in 14 days time.
Funny - now the site is back up and SuperSearch works again, but no mention of WTF is going on. And my legit key is still "expired", but the keygenned ones are fine...
"somekiss" <somekiss@somekiss.com> wrote in message news:aXsKd.37467$Hi6.14002@fe09.lga...> "Some Guy" <some@guy.com> wrote in news:nO6dnWpRzd2e0WfcRVn-> vA@giganews.com:>
While I'm a fairly happy BNR2 user>
why that rather than Grabit or Newsbin Pro or Forte Free Agent (which I'm> finding more cumbersome than Xnews)?
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:10:49 GMT, Daddy Freddy used 70 lines to assert:
Funny - now the site is back up and SuperSearch works again, but no mention of> WTF is going on. And my legit key is still "expired", but the keygenned ones are> fine...
It's as slow as pouring treacle in winter here and the forums are still down.
How can I force NL to prompt for my legit key on startup?
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:17:45 GMT, Gaz <spam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Anybody know what is happening with NewsLeecher, as for some >reason my *legally* bought and licensed copy of the above, has >now suddenly lost its licence and reverted back to trial mode!>
I have re-entered my licence key, but it is now refusing that!>
I get a server when trying the resend link... and the saga continues.
500 Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, support@b-one.net and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
In article <1fw7tqoo9hl7a$.dlg@betty.invalid>, /betty/ <no.addr.4.u.equals.no.spam.2.me@simple.isnt.it.invalid> wrote:
FWIW, my key for Newsleecher is still working (a legally paid for key). I just can't access the SuperSearch (which relies on the availability of the server, obviously). I wasn't in town over the weekend, so I didn't try it when all of you were having trouble.
In article <koasv0pp8nutpt7f36udcqq6itlpefiahq@4ax.com>, Daddy Freddy <daddy_freddy@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:37:50 -0600, tom trussle <tomslnlk@lnone.com> wrote:>
Same here... this seems to have happened today. Coincidentally (or> >>not), their support forums are also down... I seem to remember a> >>stickied post about this problem in their forums, but oh well. I hope> >>this gets resolved soon. (yes, I emailed them too, but I'd be> >>surprised to hear back anytime soon)> >
However, it seems the www.archive.org/ does not archive the forums.> >
The only thing I dont understand is why most posters here didnt like> >the SuperSearch. I thought it was pretty neat if your looking for a> >specific binary. >
Its appeal was for the Kazaa/BearShare/etc. noobs who finally got around to> "discovering" Usenet.>
It also appealed to me for one reason. I download movies and TV episodes from some rather large groups. With Super Search, I could easily find the shows or movies I wanted without doing lengthy header downloads. I didn't visit the groups but once or twice a week, and could easily have a couple million headers in the group by the time I came back.
I never ran into any of the other problems (other than on occasion not being able to connect to Super Search). FWIW, my serial number is not having problems, and it is a legit number. Only thing I cannot access at the moment is the Super Search, since the site is down.
On 3 Feb 2005 07:30:57 GMT, Paul-B used 20 lines to assert:
[resend: I sent this once and EN was asleep so it parked in my OB]
/betty/ wrote:>
Windows XP Corporate Edition without activation, smartass.>>
The one that MS is planning to restrict updates for.>
Nah, can't be done.
Are you claiming that MS won't restrict updates for XP to require certain eligibility?
Or that intentions and announcements made are false?
They tried it with the FCKGW release,> unsuccessfully.
In fact they blacklisted that Key very successfully from getting ongoing updates. You ought to ask yourself why people had to discontinue using that key.
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:17:44 GMT, /betty/ <no.addr.4.u.equals.no.spam.2.me@simple.isnt.it.invalid> wrote:
On 3 Feb 2005 07:30:57 GMT, Paul-B used 20 lines to assert:>
[resend: I sent this once and EN was asleep so it parked in my OB]>
/betty/ wrote:>>
Windows XP Corporate Edition without activation, smartass.>>>
The one that MS is planning to restrict updates for.>>
Nah, can't be done. >
Are you claiming that MS won't restrict updates for XP to require >certain eligibility?>
Or that intentions and announcements made are false?>
They tried it with the FCKGW release,>> unsuccessfully.>
In fact they blacklisted that Key very successfully from getting ongoing >updates.>You ought to ask yourself why people had to discontinue using that key.
Well it's not clear what they 'could' do.. so far what they 'have' done is made available the validation routine that is about to become mandatory to get Updates, as a voluntary check you can run thru now. Funny about that, so far I tried it with three XP Pro Corporate installs each made with a "good keygen" and never Activated.. and all three passed the "Genuine" test with flying colors...
What MS will snag with this scheme is all the counterfeit copies of XP newbies have bought for a song or had foisted off on them by dealers of less than stirling virtue...but so far, it's unlikely to snag the more knowledgeable....
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:20:14 GMT, Coup used 40 lines to assert:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:17:44 GMT, /betty/> <no.addr.4.u.equals.no.spam.2.me@simple.isnt.it.invalid> wrote:>
Are you claiming that MS won't restrict updates for XP to require >>certain eligibility?>>
Or that intentions and announcements made are false?>>
Well it's not clear what they 'could' do.. so far what they 'have'> done is made available the validation routine that is about to become> mandatory to get Updates, as a voluntary check you can run thru now.
Yup, they're playing the "good corporate citizen" soft sell. Soooo sweet of them don't you think?
And the press are cooperating by keeping it low-brow too. How convenient!
Funny about that, so far I tried it with three XP Pro Corporate> installs each made with a "good keygen" and never Activated.. and all> three passed the "Genuine" test with flying colors...>
There's nothing out in the open to fear, it'll happily let us in to get essential security patches, they're committed to that and it's great PR for them. No threats, no shutdowns, no disables to worry about.
(no freedom either but most will sit back and not even know what's gone on, this thread is perfect proof of that!
It's just numbers collecting and correalation game for starters, onto the partial and increasing full audit via the "consent decree" that we all signed back at sp1 level by clicking the I agree (the one that caused a few waves at first and most people have conveniently long ago forgotten about).
What MS will snag with this scheme is all the counterfeit copies of XP> newbies have bought for a song or had foisted off on them by dealers> of less than stirling virtue...but so far, it's unlikely to snag the> more knowledgeable....>
Yup, welcome to Phase III of thin-end-of-the-wedge strategy plan that started back prior to sp1.
* Paul-B wrote in news.software.readers:> > betty wrote:>
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:42:04 -0500, Some Guy used 16 lines to> assert:>
"SINNER" <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> wrote in message > >> > news:v1c2d2xivt.ln2@news.gates_of_hell.com...>
Really? What version of Windows are you running?>
Windows XP Corporate Edition without activation, smartass.>
The one that MS is planning to restrict updates for.>
Nah, can't be done. They tried it with the FCKGW release,> > unsuccessfully.>
Cant be done? You a MS programmer? Of course it can be done.>
Seemed sucessful to me SP1 would not install with that key. I changed> keys to get by until I realized Linux is the Future.
You don't need to change keys, there are lots of cracks out there which work, in fact there's a universal activator which works on any XP/2003 Server/Retail/OEM/VLK and allows updates.With the price currently being charged by Microsoft for the various flavours of 2003 Servert don't you think they would have made it pirate-proof if they could have done?
As for XP, the keychanger and crack were freely available before SP1 was released.
Linux might well be the future for servers, but desktops/workstations? No way. Not while 100% of the business world is running Microsoft desktops and compat apps and is never going to change.
Eggs Zachtly 3 February 2005 21:33:35 [ permanent link ]
Paul-B said:
Linux might well be the future for servers, but desktops/workstations?> No way.
Why not?
Not while 100% of the business world is running Microsoft> desktops and compat apps and is never going to change.
100%? Where'd you get THAT number? And, "never" is quite a long time. Perhaps you're just wishing *shrug*, but Linux is being implemented by MANY businesses. You'd better do some better research, using resources other than what's between your ears, before you spew numbers like 100%. =)
-- Eggs
A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing in newsgroups?
Linux might well be the future for servers, but> desktops/workstations? No way. Not while 100% of the business> world is running Microsoft desktops and compat apps and is never> going to change.
That is a rediculous statement with no basis in fact.
Linux might well be the future for servers, but> > desktops/workstations? No way. Not while 100% of the business> > world is running Microsoft desktops and compat apps and is never> > going to change. >
That is a rediculous statement with no basis in fact.
Like everything else on Usenet, it's an opinion. Based on my own experience, but I'd love to be proven wrong. As I said earlier on in this thread, the percentage of companies using Linux as a desktop application is statistically insignificant.
Just for an example, how about posting the names of businesses who are using Linux desktop apps?
On 3 Feb 2005 20:07:15 GMT,> Paul-B <null@null.com>, in> <36fejjF50qropU1@individual.net> wrote:>
+ Yup. Unless and until Linux gets a lot more user-friendly I just> > + don't see it being commercially acceptable.>
This is simply a canard spouted by someone ignorant of the current> status. Go get thee Ubuntu's "Warty Warthog" and install it. For the> typical office worker, that's sufficient.>
You don't like GNOME? then try a SUSE distribution.>
More specialized apps will take more doing and/or waiting. I think it> might be a while before AutoCad gets ported, and it'll be a really> chilly day in hell before Adobe ports anything.>
James
You don't have to convince *me*. You have to convince the people who make the decisions in the commercial world. And, to put it bluntly, they're not interested in risking their jobs by introducing something about which they know nothing set against the overwhelming pressure to stick with an operating system which they know works, with which they're familiar, and which their own staff can use and maintain.
You see, you don't have to convince the "typical office worker". They'll use whatever they're given and whatever they're used-to. You have to convince the decision-makers, and you can't do that, because they have everything to lose and nothing to gain by going out on a limb and specifying something which they don't understand.
Sad, but true.
However I'm happy to be proven wrong. But I just don't see it happening at any level, at the moment, and I don't see any pressure for the introduction of an alternative desktop o/s at any level in either small, medium or large businesses.
On 3 Feb 2005 18:25:31 GMT,> Paul-B <null@null.com>, in> <36f8krF504m8dU1@individual.net> wrote:>
+ Linux might well be the future for servers, but> > desktops/workstations? + No way. Not while 100% of the business> > world is running Microsoft + desktops and compat apps and is never> > going to change.>
Just like they'd never give up WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, and Netware a> decade+ ago?>
James
All running on a Microsoft platform. I cut my teeth on DOS, used Wordstar as a wordprocessor long before Wordperfect became the flavour of the month. However changing from one app to another is totally different from changing from a universally used o/s to something completely different and about which very little, outside the Linux-geek world, is known.
Eggs Zachtly 4 February 2005 07:23:08 [ permanent link ]
Paul-B said:
<snip>
I suggest that the percentage of businesses using Linux in desktop> applications is so small as to be statistically insignificant. I can't> prove it, and would be happy to be proved wrong, but I just don't see> it in the real world.
Let's see, some businesses using Linux? (This is only an excerpt from an old list, actually. Now there are far more, but you should get the point.
In the Aerospace field:
Alenia Aerospazio - Divisione Aeronautica Aerospace Parts International, Inc. The Boeing Company Northrop Grumman Corporation
In the Automotive industry:
AutoNation, Inc. DaimlerChrysler Debis Systemhaus CCS GmbH DMS GmbH Mercedes-Benz AG Mercedes-Benz TГјrk
Government organizations:
National Disaster Communication Response Team National Research Council Of Canada Netherlands Office for Science & Technology New Jersey State Police Palm Beach County Workforce Development Board, Inc Redevelopment Authority, City of Philadelphia Santa Catarina State Police Department US Bureau of Reclamation United States Postal Service (where Linux reads the addresses on your envelopes) U.S. Senate Democratic Leadership
The oil and gas industry:
Decollement Consulting, Ltd. Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers ACCEL Services, Inc. Schlumberger Limited Giant Industries, Inc. Nafta Gbely a.s. Mathtech Pakistan Cloudstone Petroleum Resources
Telecommunications and network companies:
Century Computers CII industrielle SA Cisco Systems Inc. Digital Video Systems, Inc. The Electric Company of New Zealand Ltd. LoopExpert Technologies Lyberth-Nielsen McLeodUSA Telecommunications Inc. MessageNet Systems, Inc. Netcom International Nokia Oyj Quality Service Management, Inc. RTV Regional-TV Services GmbH Sony WorldWide Networks SpellCaster Telecommunications Inc. TechLink Telecom SENC Telechamada, Chamada de Pessoas, SA U S West, Inc
That's quite a partial list, but there's quite a few BIG names on there, including the USPS. Again, this was grabbed from quite an old list.
Linux is much more user-friendly now, imo, and getting more so every day. Once people give it a chance, I think they'll like it. Spreading the word still works wonders, again imo. =)
<snip>
*end thread hijack, heh*
-- Eggs
-If you're too open-minded, your brains will fall out.
Eggs Zachtly 4 February 2005 07:24:17 [ permanent link ]
Paul-B said:
Just for an example, how about posting the names of businesses who are> using Linux desktop apps?
Arrgh. Wish I'd have seen this before I just posted a partial list, LOL.
-- Eggs
After heat killed bad germs, where do they go? Obviously not in heaven, since they've been bad. Surely then can't go to hell, for the heat would kill them again(?)...
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:33:44 GMT, Gaz used 16 lines to assert:
In article <6ieMd.14676$i42.5164@fe1.columbus.rr.com>, > wb@nomail.com says...>
Thanks for using the trial version of NewsLeecher!>>
You have 25 day(s) remaining of your trial.>>
You should think yourself lucky then, as most of the others who > got caught up in this crap, found that we were left with 15 day > trial versions, fortunately I was able to get a new key on Monday > afternoon, and THANKFULLY this LEGIT key is STILL WORKING FINE!
Mine isn't, it still attempts to phone home on startup and pesters me. I don't consider that to be "working fine" or acceptable.
Let's see, some businesses using Linux? (This is only an excerpt from> an old list, actually. Now there are far more, but you should get the> point.
Nice list. Thanks, I had no idea there were so many. Are all those people using Linux in non-server apps? Certainly when I was at IBM in Mechanicsburg they were all using Dell desktops with Windows.
Eggs Zachtly 4 February 2005 17:40:42 [ permanent link ]
Paul-B said:
Eggs Zachtly wrote:>
Let's see, some businesses using Linux? (This is only an excerpt from>> an old list, actually. Now there are far more, but you should get the>> point. >
Nice list. Thanks, I had no idea there were so many. Are all those> people using Linux in non-server apps? Certainly when I was at IBM in> Mechanicsburg they were all using Dell desktops with Windows.
YW. I'm really not sure. I would assume that it's a global corporate use. It seems fairly strange to me to use multi-platforms across the network. And, as I said, that list is old (maybe two years). But in the past two years, I've seen a lot of things from different companies that have made the switch, mostly for security. Since companies can give it the "look and feel" of Windows (minus the crashes, of course), it's not that difficult for the end users to get used to. It's the IT guys that have to learn the hard stuff. =)
-- Eggs
Do you need a silencer if you are going to shoot a mime?
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:40:42 -0600, Eggs Zachtly used 26 lines to assert:
Paul-B said:>
Nice list. Thanks, I had no idea there were so many. Are all those>> people using Linux in non-server apps? Certainly when I was at IBM in>> Mechanicsburg they were all using Dell desktops with Windows.>
YW. I'm really not sure. I would assume that it's a global corporate use.> It seems fairly strange to me to use multi-platforms across the network.> And, as I said, that list is old (maybe two years). But in the past two> years, I've seen a lot of things from different companies that have made> the switch, mostly for security. Since companies can give it the "look and> feel" of Windows (minus the crashes, of course), it's not that difficult> for the end users to get used to. It's the IT guys that have to learn the> hard stuff. =)
Yep, and let us add that:
Most of the shift in past 2-3 years has been in the public sector, in form of governmental policies making to leverage toward open source OSs and applications where possible.
Several countries, mainly Latin Am, Asia, and some Eu and African continent; have already made major commitment shifts, putting whole departments "windowsless", phase by phase.
Most important too, they're planning to wean their education systems off the MS teat, which not only is projected to yield major cost savings in both h/w and s/w but so that future generations will comprise a ready made skills base adept at non-MS platform computing.
The reasons are the obvious; significant potential cost savings to be realised medium to long term; control of code and opportunity to customise it to needs; and abolition from the Microsoft Corp and Windows platform monopoly dependency. (China is also developing it's own OS btw, and no one can say that's a marketsize c/w exporting impact worth ignoring)
Loonix and the rest of open source is a true 'International owned and controlled' software system and product. MS and Winders is not only corporate and proprietary but is US dominated and dictated.
Smart countries are at last making moves after rightly seeing that as an evil trap that needs to be avoided even if it costs them short term.
Most of you would have read heaps of random snippets on this and related via The Reg etc., news sources over time anyway, it's nothing new or even surprising.
On 6 Feb 2005 02:24:23 GMT, I R A Darth Aggie used 21 lines to assert:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:31:19 GMT,> /betty/ <no.addr.4.u.equals.no.spam.2.me@simple.isnt.it.invalid>, in> <146rc4as5kczj$.dlg@betty.invalid> wrote:>
+ Smart countries are at last making moves after rightly seeing that as an>>+ evil trap that needs to be avoided even if it costs them short term.>
Which will lead to a postive feed back in the USofA: wanna compete in> the international market - open document interchange for one - or> stick with Windows and Office and become further and further isolated?>
Yes, very important one that. Even so we could expect MS to make their version of "open document interchange" sleazy proprietary like their HTML and Java bastardisations to force publishers and users onto IE.
The Web is still a serious mess because of that and disenfranchises a lot of users from having true free choice in matters of content access.
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