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QAIX > Software, Computer Help > QuickBooks client over VPN 28 July 2008 16:43:43

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QuickBooks client over VPN
Mark St Laurent 28 July 2008 16:43:43
	We have set up a gateway to gateway VPN between QuickBooks Enterprise server site and wish to connect remote client at another site. Standard windows file transfer averages 30k/sec. Fractional T1 @ 256K on server side standard ADSL on the client side. Opening quick books client very slow. I am not that familiar with bandwidth requirements for this app and realize that an RDP or term services session may be faster but is this really necessary. Can it not be accomplished over VPN, as it would on the local LAN and what would be reasonable in terms of bandwidth requirements. I know this is more of a networking question. I am hoping that others in this group who have also expanded their businesses and use QuickBooks could shed some light on this issue.
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Mike Schumann 22 February 2005 22:44:18 [ permanent link ]
	Terminal Server is the ONLY way to go. If you have a normal QBooks client connection over a VPN link, and the link goes down, you have a very good chance that your QBooks database will be corrupted. Terminal Server solves this problem. There is nothing you can do to make performance on this type of a connection acceptable. With large QBooks files (150+MBytes), performance becomes a big issue even on 10MBPS LANs. Mike Schumann "Mark St Laurent" <stormrunner'_removethis'@comcast.net> wrote in message news:qAKSd.8345$Pz7.6826@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...> We have set up a gateway to gateway VPN between QuickBooks Enterprise > server site and wish to connect remote client at another site. Standard > windows file transfer averages 30k/sec. Fractional T1 @ 256K on server > side standard ADSL on the client side. Opening quick books client very > slow. I am not that familiar with bandwidth requirements for this app and > realize that an RDP or term services session may be faster but is this > really necessary. Can it not be accomplished over VPN, as it would on the > local LAN and what would be reasonable in terms of bandwidth requirements. > I know this is more of a networking question. I am hoping that others in > this group who have also expanded their businesses and use QuickBooks > could shed some light on this issue.>
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JerryMouse 22 February 2005 23:06:13 [ permanent link ]
	Mark St Laurent wrote:> We have set up a gateway to gateway VPN between QuickBooks Enterprise> server site and wish to connect remote client at another site.> Standard windows file transfer averages 30k/sec. Fractional T1 @ 256K> on server side standard ADSL on the client side. Opening quick books> client very slow. I am not that familiar with bandwidth requirements> for this app and realize that an RDP or term services session may be> faster but is this really necessary. Can it not be accomplished over> VPN, as it would on the local LAN and what would be reasonable in> terms of bandwidth requirements. I know this is more of a networking> question. I am hoping that others in this group who have also> expanded their businesses and use QuickBooks could shed some light on> this issue. An alternative solution, perhaps, is remote access. That way nothing but the screen and keyboard have to move over the network (and the mouse).
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Gary 23 February 2005 00:55:43 [ permanent link ]
	"JerryMouse" <nospam@bisusa.com> wrote in message news:111n96e36ga3j3e@news.supernews.com...> Mark St Laurent wrote:> > We have set up a gateway to gateway VPN between QuickBooks Enterprise> > server site and wish to connect remote client at another site.> > Standard windows file transfer averages 30k/sec. Fractional T1 @ 256K> > on server side standard ADSL on the client side. Opening quick books> > client very slow. I am not that familiar with bandwidth requirements> > for this app and realize that an RDP or term services session may be> > faster but is this really necessary. Can it not be accomplished over> > VPN, as it would on the local LAN and what would be reasonable in> > terms of bandwidth requirements. I know this is more of a networking> > question. I am hoping that others in this group who have also> > expanded their businesses and use QuickBooks could shed some light on> > this issue.> An alternative solution, perhaps, is remote access. That way nothing but screen and keyboard have to move over the network (and the mouse).> I recently switched a client over to terminal services from PCAnywhere, and they are very happy with the result. Unless the location I was helping didn't have a Windows Server, I wouldn't do it any other way. Gary
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Mike Schumann 24 February 2005 02:49:15 [ permanent link ]
	If someone can't afford Windows Server, a poor man's approach is to set up a computer running Windows XP Pro using the built in Remote Access capability. This is identical to running a Terminal Server, except that a user can't be logged on to the computer's console if someone is using the machine remotely (and vis versa). Mike Schumann mike@traditions.com "Gary" <gmegerer@yahoo.com> wrote in message newsSNSd.5423$v31.2138@fe04.lga...> "JerryMouse" <nospam@bisusa.com> wrote in message> news:111n96e36ga3j3e@news.supernews.com...>> Mark St Laurent wrote:>> > We have set up a gateway to gateway VPN between QuickBooks Enterprise>> > server site and wish to connect remote client at another site.>> > Standard windows file transfer averages 30k/sec. Fractional T1 @ 256K>> > on server side standard ADSL on the client side. Opening quick books>> > client very slow. I am not that familiar with bandwidth requirements>> > for this app and realize that an RDP or term services session may be>> > faster but is this really necessary. Can it not be accomplished over>> > VPN, as it would on the local LAN and what would be reasonable in>> > terms of bandwidth requirements. I know this is more of a networking>> > question. I am hoping that others in this group who have also>> > expanded their businesses and use QuickBooks could shed some light on>> > this issue.>> An alternative solution, perhaps, is remote access. That way nothing but> the>> screen and keyboard have to move over the network (and the mouse).>> I recently switched a client over to terminal services from PCAnywhere, > and> they are very happy with the result. Unless the location I was helping> didn't have a Windows Server, I wouldn't do it any other way.> Gary>
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Mark St Laurent 24 February 2005 03:43:28 [ permanent link ]
	Thanks for the info. I know I used quite a few acronyms in the original post but I did indicate that I was aware this could be accomplished using RDP("Windows XP Pro using the built in Remote Access capability") or, TermServices depending on the QB server level. It seems that 2005 directly supports and 2003 requires a couple of work arounds. My question was with using Direct File access through VPN. The consensus seems to indicate that the database requirements for bandwidth preclude this as an option. We will probably be going with either RDP or VNC over VPN. If the previous posts regarding bandwidth requirements are inaccurate which I doubt, possably someone could post what reasonable requirements are necessary for the direct access option. Your, previous post indicated that you have experienced problems with 10 MBPS Lan which is infinitely faster than any remote connection we could or would afford. Again thanks for your time I have no experience with QB and the input from this forum has saved me from recommending connection upgrades that would be marginal at best and possably result in a corrupted database. "Mike Schumann" <mike-nospam@traditions-nospam.com> wrote in message news:%D8Td.9693$x53.2134@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...> If someone can't afford Windows Server, a poor man's approach is to set up > a computer running Windows XP Pro using the built in Remote Access > capability. This is identical to running a Terminal Server, except that a > user can't be logged on to the computer's console if someone is using the > machine remotely (and vis versa).> Mike Schumann> mike@traditions.com> "Gary" <gmegerer@yahoo.com> wrote in message > newsSNSd.5423$v31.2138@fe04.lga...>> "JerryMouse" <nospam@bisusa.com> wrote in message>> news:111n96e36ga3j3e@news.supernews.com...>>> Mark St Laurent wrote:>>> > We have set up a gateway to gateway VPN between QuickBooks Enterprise>>> > server site and wish to connect remote client at another site.>>> > Standard windows file transfer averages 30k/sec. Fractional T1 @ 256K>>> > on server side standard ADSL on the client side. Opening quick books>>> > client very slow. I am not that familiar with bandwidth requirements>>> > for this app and realize that an RDP or term services session may be>>> > faster but is this really necessary. Can it not be accomplished over>>> > VPN, as it would on the local LAN and what would be reasonable in>>> > terms of bandwidth requirements. I know this is more of a networking>>> > question. I am hoping that others in this group who have also>>> > expanded their businesses and use QuickBooks could shed some light on>>> > this issue.>>> An alternative solution, perhaps, is remote access. That way nothing but>> the>>> screen and keyboard have to move over the network (and the mouse).>>> I recently switched a client over to terminal services from PCAnywhere, >> and>> they are very happy with the result. Unless the location I was helping>> didn't have a Windows Server, I wouldn't do it any other way.>> Gary>>
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*Watt 26 February 2005 20:31:46 [ permanent link ]
	Mark, We have use a VPN, and the bandwidth is nowhere near what is necessary to handle an app like Quickbooks. (Although Quickbooks is not our only offender.) We have successfully used QB with : Terninal Server on Win2000 and Win2003 servers, the XP remote access, and PC Anywhere. The terminal server approach is by far the fastest, cleanest, most secure, and most reliable. You might check out the previous threads on installation and configuration of QB on the terminal server. *Watt "Mark St Laurent" <stormrunner'_removethis'@comcast.net> wrote in message news:qAKSd.8345$Pz7.6826@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...> We have set up a gateway to gateway VPN between QuickBooks Enterprise > server site and wish to connect remote client at another site. Standard > windows file transfer averages 30k/sec. Fractional T1 @ 256K on server > side standard ADSL on the client side. Opening quick books client very > slow. I am not that familiar with bandwidth requirements for this app and > realize that an RDP or term services session may be faster but is this > really necessary. Can it not be accomplished over VPN, as it would on the > local LAN and what would be reasonable in terms of bandwidth requirements. > I know this is more of a networking question. I am hoping that others in > this group who have also expanded their businesses and use QuickBooks > could shed some light on this issue.>
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Z Man 5 March 2005 07:08:59 [ permanent link ]
	"*Watt" <GAGJVXTCIXGM@spammotel.com> wrote in message news:6o2Ud.16528$ds.3277@okepread07...> Mark,> We have use a VPN, and the bandwidth is nowhere near what is necessary to > handle an app like Quickbooks. (Although Quickbooks is not our only > offender.)> We have successfully used QB with : Terninal Server on Win2000 and Win2003 > servers, the XP remote access, and PC Anywhere.> The terminal server approach is by far the fastest, cleanest, most secure, > and most reliable.> You might check out the previous threads on installation and configuration > of QB on the terminal server. QuickBooks versions prior to Enterprise don't support Terminal Services. Some users have gotten it to work, but if you fry your data, don't complain to Intuit. Be careful out there...
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Mike Schumann 5 March 2005 09:28:11 [ permanent link ]
	Yes, QBooks Pro is NOT officially supported on Terminal Server. However, if you understand how Terminal Server works, and you have the 5 user pack (if you are interested in having more than one simultaneous QBooks session on the Terminal Server), you shouldn't have any problem making this work. If you do run into problems, QBooks won't run. I've never heard of anyone "frying" their data while using Terminal Server. Mike Schumann "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:SqaWd.29099$th3.28510@fe08.lga...> "*Watt" <GAGJVXTCIXGM@spammotel.com> wrote in message > news:6o2Ud.16528$ds.3277@okepread07...>> Mark,>> We have use a VPN, and the bandwidth is nowhere near what is necessary to >> handle an app like Quickbooks. (Although Quickbooks is not our only >> offender.)>> We have successfully used QB with : Terninal Server on Win2000 and >> Win2003 servers, the XP remote access, and PC Anywhere.>> The terminal server approach is by far the fastest, cleanest, most >> secure, and most reliable.>> You might check out the previous threads on installation and >> configuration of QB on the terminal server.> QuickBooks versions prior to Enterprise don't support Terminal Services. > Some users have gotten it to work, but if you fry your data, don't > complain to Intuit. Be careful out there...>
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*Watt 5 March 2005 23:37:00 [ permanent link ]
	Z Man, You a shill for Intuit ? The question related to shedding light on how people are remotely accessing the QB over a VPN. As someone who has used QB on Terminal Services, used QB over PC Anywhere, used QB over a WinXP RDP connection, AND discussed these with Intuit tech support......I think I can throw in my two cents ! The enterprise version is definitely NOT needed. I have been using the QB Pro 5 user since 2001 and have zero problems. Now we might discuss the need to have suitable backups for your data due to drive failure, fire, tsunami, user idiocy, etc.....All of these are more likely than data being "fried" from terminal services use. Cheers, and I won't complain, Watt "Lets shed light, not heat...." "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:SqaWd.29099$th3.28510@fe08.lga...> "Watt" <GAGJVXTCIXGM@spammotel.com> wrote in message > news:6o2Ud.16528$ds.3277@okepread07...>> Mark,>> We have use a VPN, and the bandwidth is nowhere near what is necessary to >> handle an app like Quickbooks. (Although Quickbooks is not our only >> offender.)>> We have successfully used QB with : Terninal Server on Win2000 and >> Win2003 servers, the XP remote access, and PC Anywhere.>> The terminal server approach is by far the fastest, cleanest, most >> secure, and most reliable.>> You might check out the previous threads on installation and >> configuration of QB on the terminal server.> QuickBooks versions prior to Enterprise don't support Terminal Services. > Some users have gotten it to work, but if you fry your data, don't > complain to Intuit. Be careful out there...>
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Guest 28 July 2008 16:43:43 [ permanent link ]
	three years later... Still a problem? Since I've got client still experiencing this problem, I take it Intuit has not seen fit to address this basic design flaw. The physical proximity of client to server should not be an issue. Whether they be connected by LAN, WAN, VPN, ISDN, or a dialupnetworking connection, no client server application should ever need to transfer the entire database to the client for the purposes of logging in, or entering transactions. Even multi-year reports based on tens of thousands of datapoints, if designed properly using a database server, will return only what the user can read in a single sitting. If I'm mistaken, could someone please update this thread with a link to a patch or kb item? If not, could Intuit please put some resources on this? Thanks, S
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