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how many pages from a site can be ranked high?

Borek 20 October 2005 00:29:30
 Interesting thing happened.

One of the words I have optimized one of my pages for is "dyslektyk".
Not very competitive SERP, so I was able to position it as #3
and #4 (almost without IBLs, just on-page optimization) with two
pages:

(a) http://www.bpp.com.­pl/
(b) http://www.bpp.com.­pl/?left=dyslektyk-2­&right=opis

That was situation last week. Then I decided that the page (b) -
which is an entry point for someone looking for my program - is
not designed for conversion. So I added new page:

(c) http://www.bpp.com.­pl/?left=dyslektyk-2­&right=dyslektyk-2

that is (hopefully) more 'catchy'. KW density and internal links
are almost identical as for old page. Google spidered new page few
days ago and yesterday it appeared in the SERPS - replacing page
(b) on the #4. So far everything looks logical. What is really
interesting is that page (b) - not modified - DISSAPEARED form
the first 500!

The only explanation I can think of is that in some situations
there is a limit set on the number of pages displayed from one
domain for one KW. Any other ideas?

Best,
Borek
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Mikkel Moldrup-Lakjer 19 October 2005 00:04:03 permanent link ]
 Borek wrote:>
The only explanation I can think of is that in some situations> there is a limit set on the number of pages displayed from one> domain for one KW.

Think this is a well-known fact. Usually the limit for each domain seems
to be two pages, the secondary result for the domain being shown with
indentation after the primary.

If you go to the bottom of the very last page of the SERP on Google you
will find the "show omitted results"-option. Click it and you will find
several results from each domain.

Mikkel

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Www.1-Script.Com 19 October 2005 00:06:28 permanent link ]
 Borek wrote:

Interesting thing happened.
One of the words I have optimized one of my pages for is> "dyslektyk".> Not very competitive SERP, so I was able to position it as #3> and #4 (almost without IBLs, just on-page optimization) with two> pages:
That was situation last week. Then I decided that the page (b) -> which is an entry point for someone looking for my program - is> not designed for conversion. So I added new page:
that is (hopefully) more 'catchy'. KW density and internal links> are almost identical as for old page. Google spidered new page few> days ago and yesterday it appeared in the SERPS - replacing page> (b) on the #4. So far everything looks logical. What is really> interesting is that page (b) - not modified - DISSAPEARED form> the first 500!
The only explanation I can think of is that in some situations> there is a limit set on the number of pages displayed from one> domain for one KW. Any other ideas?

I bet what happened was: Google decided that you have just updated your
existing page. Their bot has problems reading URLs containing query
variables. In your case the first did not change at all:
?left=dyslektyk-2, and only the second one (right=...) changed. They
decided, and I believe rightfully so, that it's a secondary parameter that
does not create a whole new page and maybe only used for tracking purposes
or something similar. In this case I would absolutely use mod_rewrite and
make them appear as two different static URLs. If for whatever reason you
cannot use mod_rewrite, just try to swap the first and the second
parameters. In most cases they are able to read first parameter OK, so
they will get the idea that it's a different page. I don't believe the
sequence of query variable matters for your script, so you don't have to
do any adjustments to the script.

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John Bokma 19 October 2005 00:11:34 permanent link ]
 info_at_1-script_dot­_com@foo.com (www.1-script.com) wrote:
I bet what happened was: Google decided that you have just updated> your existing page. Their bot has problems reading URLs containing> query variables.

It has? (I say: no)
In your case the first did not change at all:> ?left=dyslektyk-2, and only the second one (right=...) changed. They> decided, and I believe rightfully so, that it's a secondary parameter> that does not create a whole new page and maybe only used for tracking> purposes or something similar.

And how does Google do all this magic guessing? (I guess not at all)


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Brian Wakem 19 October 2005 00:27:45 permanent link ]
 Mikkel Moldrup-Lakjer wrote:
Borek wrote:>>
The only explanation I can think of is that in some situations>> there is a limit set on the number of pages displayed from one>> domain for one KW.>
Think this is a well-known fact. Usually the limit for each domain seems> to be two pages, the secondary result for the domain being shown with> indentation after the primary.


Indeed, and they add a link saying "More results from ........" instead of
listing further matches from that domain.


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Www.1-Script.Com 19 October 2005 17:53:33 permanent link ]
 John Bokma wrote:
I bet what happened was: Google decided that you have just updated>> your existing page. Their bot has problems reading URLs containing>> query variables.
It has? (I say: no)

Borrowing from one of your recent posts here ;-)­, think in terms of user
experience. If long dynamic URLs would be OK for Google (using them as
usual example), then a smart (and unscrupulous) webmaster could feed
Google a link like this:

http://search.msn.c­om/results.aspx?q=si­te%3Ajohnbokma.com+p­erl&FORM=QBHP

Then this

http://search.msn.c­om/results.aspx?q=si­te%3Ajohnbokma.com+P­HP&FORM=QBHP

then substitute В“perlВ” or В“PHPВ” for something else and then do it 50,000
times. The pages that come up are full of very relevant keywords and they
all have links back to your site. Well, MSN may not be the best example
В‘cause they have the click log redirects, but you get the idea. What itВ’s
going to do with your IBLs that Google relies upon?

What IВ’m trying to say is this: it is not to a search engineВ’s advantage
to be able to read long dynamic URLs with plenty of query parameters
because they will be open to many more ways of abuse. Granted, they do
index at least some if the dynamic URL pages, but the more parameters
there is, the less probable it is that the page will be indexed.

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John Bokma 20 October 2005 00:29:30 permanent link ]
 info_at_1-script_dot­_com@foo.com (www.1-script.com) wrote:
John Bokma wrote:>
I bet what happened was: Google decided that you have just updated>>> your existing page. Their bot has problems reading URLs containing>>> query variables.>
It has? (I say: no)>
Borrowing from one of your recent posts here ;-)­, think in terms of> user experience. If long dynamic URLs would be OK for Google (using> them as usual example), then a smart (and unscrupulous) webmaster> could feed Google a link like this:>
3Ajohnbokma.com+per­l&FORM=QBH> P >
Then this>
3Ajohnbokma.com+PHP­&FORM=QBHP>
then substitute "perl" or "PHP" for something else and then do it> 50,000 times. The pages that come up are full of very relevant> keywords and they all have links back to your site.

I seem them link to MSN. I probably missed your point, but I *do* link
to Google in the above way, for example to Google Images to provide more
pictures of some kind of animal.
Well, MSN may not be the best example> 'cause they have the click log redirects, but you get the idea. What> it's going to do with your IBLs that Google relies upon?>
What I'm trying to say is this: it is not to a search engine's> advantage to be able to read long dynamic URLs with plenty of query> parameters because they will be open to many more ways of abuse.

Probably I missed the entire point, I mean, why is:

http://example.com/­foo/bar/baz/a/b/c/d/­e/f/g/h

ok, and:

http://example.com/­cgi-bin/foo.cgi?x=ba­r&y=baz&z=a&z1=b&z2=­c&z3=e&z4
=f&z5
=g&z6=h

How can the latter be more abused compared to the former?

AFAIK there are 2 reasons why Google makes a distinction between dynamic
and static:

1 - Some dynamic pages require quite some resources to be generated, and
hence Googlebot requesting many in a short time might result in a
heavy load
2 - Session IDs, Googlebot fetches a page, which becomes no longer
available a short time later
Granted, they do> index at least some if the dynamic URL pages, but the more parameters> there is, the less probable it is that the page will be indexed.

Then I hide the long dynamic URL behind a mod rewrite, and then?


Note that from a visitor point it doesn't matter if a page is generated
dynamically or statically, and in many cases it doesn't matter if the
URL is long or short. Moreover, I doubt if a visitor really cares if a
long URL is dynamic according to google or static.

The only problem is the aforementioned (2), since it means that the
visitor clicks on a link in a SERP and gets a "Session ID has expired".

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