CF7 won't run under IIS, wont install - business almost shut down for 2 days now.
Mike Kear 23 February 2005 16:04:38
This is very disappointing for me - I had high expectations that the Macromedia install people would have learned from the fiasco surrounding the CFMX6.0 install routines. No such luck. There is no documentation anywhere telling us what to do if the installation doesn't go perfectly. And nowhere does it say that CFMX7 wont work with IIS5.1, the currently installed IIS with WinXPPro.
So far it's cost me a lot of hours and i have NO working CFMX on my dev machines. Here's the saga so far ....
[A] downloaded the trial version. [B] didnt extract properly (thanks Kay for the heads-up on that!) [C} downloaded another copy, tested it with WinZIP and it worked ok. [D] installed it into my Dev PC and let it take all the defaults. [E] it didnt work. All .cfm files would try to open in dreamweaver or download, not execute. [F] Tried the web site configuration tool - it couldn'lt recognise any jrun and I couldn'lt get it to give me an OK button so i could configure any sites. In the services tool of WinXPPRo it showed that IIS, and JRUN are both running. [G] After mucking about with it for an hour, I decided to uninstall it and try again. [H] uninstalling CFMX7 removed my CFMX6.1 CFIDE folder, so my CFMX, working, administrator was broken. [I] I reinstalled CFMX7, and no change - still didnt work. I decided that despite all the claims to the contrary, it didnt like being on a windowsXPPro PC with CFMX6.1 [J] I uninstalled all versions of CFMX and reinstalled CFMX7. [K] No change to the situation in F, except now i didnt have CFMX6.1 either. Now none of my dev sites work and the only way to do work is to edit in dreamweaver, and upload to the production and test there. BAD!! [L] On the advice from a helpful CF-Talk-er, I ran the batch files to connect to JRUN and IIS, but while they both ran without giving errors, it made no difference. [M] on another suggestion of a helpful CF-Talk-er, I Uninstalled it yet again, rebooted a couple of times, to ensure no trace of CFMX7 remained, then disconnected from ASDL, turned off anti-virus and firewall, and ran the install again. Nothing different. Still IIS is working, ColdFusion isnt.
If anyone has any better ideas, I'm at a loss as to what to try next. I've got my back against the wall now, because the only way I can work on any sites is to work directly on the live or the client-viewable staging sites.
Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
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Neil Robertson-Ravo 23 February 2005 16:18:42 [ permanent link ]
Mike, have you verified that .cfm files can indeed be parsed by JRun? i.e. in IIS is the .cfm extension mapped to the correct .dll/.exe
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org] Sent: 23 February 2005 13:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF7 won't run under IIS, wont install - business almost shut down for 2 days now.
This is very disappointing for me - I had high expectations that the Macromedia install people would have learned from the fiasco surrounding the CFMX6.0 install routines. No such luck. There is no documentation anywhere telling us what to do if the installation doesn't go perfectly. And nowhere does it say that CFMX7 wont work with IIS5.1, the currently installed IIS with WinXPPro.
So far it's cost me a lot of hours and i have NO working CFMX on my dev machines. Here's the saga so far ....
[A] downloaded the trial version. [B] didnt extract properly (thanks Kay for the heads-up on that!) [C} downloaded another copy, tested it with WinZIP and it worked ok. [D] installed it into my Dev PC and let it take all the defaults. [E] it didnt work. All .cfm files would try to open in dreamweaver or download, not execute. [F] Tried the web site configuration tool - it couldn'lt recognise any jrun and I couldn'lt get it to give me an OK button so i could configure any sites. In the services tool of WinXPPRo it showed that IIS, and JRUN are both running. [G] After mucking about with it for an hour, I decided to uninstall it and try again. [H] uninstalling CFMX7 removed my CFMX6.1 CFIDE folder, so my CFMX, working, administrator was broken. [I] I reinstalled CFMX7, and no change - still didnt work. I decided that despite all the claims to the contrary, it didnt like being on a windowsXPPro PC with CFMX6.1 [J] I uninstalled all versions of CFMX and reinstalled CFMX7. [K] No change to the situation in F, except now i didnt have CFMX6.1 either. Now none of my dev sites work and the only way to do work is to edit in dreamweaver, and upload to the production and test there. BAD!! [L] On the advice from a helpful CF-Talk-er, I ran the batch files to connect to JRUN and IIS, but while they both ran without giving errors, it made no difference. [M] on another suggestion of a helpful CF-Talk-er, I Uninstalled it yet again, rebooted a couple of times, to ensure no trace of CFMX7 remained, then disconnected from ASDL, turned off anti-virus and firewall, and ran the install again. Nothing different. Still IIS is working, ColdFusion isnt.
If anyone has any better ideas, I'm at a loss as to what to try next. I've got my back against the wall now, because the only way I can work on any sites is to work directly on the live or the client-viewable staging sites.
Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
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Are there Application Mappings for cfm, cfml, cfc, etc?
-Adam
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:04:38 +1100, Mike Kear <afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> This is very disappointing for me - I had high expectations that the> Macromedia install people would have learned from the fiasco> surrounding the CFMX6.0 install routines. No such luck. There is> no documentation anywhere telling us what to do if the installation> doesn't go perfectly. And nowhere does it say that CFMX7 wont work> with IIS5.1, the currently installed IIS with WinXPPro.>
So far it's cost me a lot of hours and i have NO working CFMX on my> dev machines. Here's the saga so far ....>
[A] downloaded the trial version.> [B] didnt extract properly (thanks Kay for the heads-up on that!)> [C} downloaded another copy, tested it with WinZIP and it worked ok.> [D] installed it into my Dev PC and let it take all the defaults.> [E] it didnt work. All .cfm files would try to open in dreamweaver> or download, not execute.> [F] Tried the web site configuration tool - it couldn'lt recognise> any jrun and I couldn'lt get it to give me an OK button so i could> configure any sites. In the services tool of WinXPPRo it showed that> IIS, and JRUN are both running.> [G] After mucking about with it for an hour, I decided to uninstall it> and try again.> [H] uninstalling CFMX7 removed my CFMX6.1 CFIDE folder, so my CFMX,> working, administrator was broken.> [I] I reinstalled CFMX7, and no change - still didnt work. I decided> that despite all the claims to the contrary, it didnt like being on a> windowsXPPro PC with CFMX6.1> [J] I uninstalled all versions of CFMX and reinstalled CFMX7.> [K] No change to the situation in F, except now i didnt have CFMX6.1> either. Now none of my dev sites work and the only way to do work is> to edit in dreamweaver, and upload to the production and test there.> BAD!!> [L] On the advice from a helpful CF-Talk-er, I ran the batch files to> connect to JRUN and IIS, but while they both ran without giving> errors, it made no difference.> [M] on another suggestion of a helpful CF-Talk-er, I Uninstalled it> yet again, rebooted a couple of times, to ensure no trace of CFMX7> remained, then disconnected from ASDL, turned off anti-virus and> firewall, and ran the install again. Nothing different. Still IIS is> working, ColdFusion isnt.>
If anyone has any better ideas, I'm at a loss as to what to try next.> I've got my back against the wall now, because the only way I can work> on any sites is to work directly on the live or the client-viewable> staging sites.>
Cheers> Mike Kear> Windsor, NSW, Australia> Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer> AFP Webworks> http://afpwebworks.com> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month>
Adrocknaphobia 23 February 2005 16:23:41 [ permanent link ]
Is there a virtual mapping to the JRunScripts directory?
-Adam
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:04:38 +1100, Mike Kear <afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> This is very disappointing for me - I had high expectations that the> Macromedia install people would have learned from the fiasco> surrounding the CFMX6.0 install routines. No such luck. There is> no documentation anywhere telling us what to do if the installation> doesn't go perfectly. And nowhere does it say that CFMX7 wont work> with IIS5.1, the currently installed IIS with WinXPPro.>
So far it's cost me a lot of hours and i have NO working CFMX on my> dev machines. Here's the saga so far ....>
[A] downloaded the trial version.> [B] didnt extract properly (thanks Kay for the heads-up on that!)> [C} downloaded another copy, tested it with WinZIP and it worked ok.> [D] installed it into my Dev PC and let it take all the defaults.> [E] it didnt work. All .cfm files would try to open in dreamweaver> or download, not execute.> [F] Tried the web site configuration tool - it couldn'lt recognise> any jrun and I couldn'lt get it to give me an OK button so i could> configure any sites. In the services tool of WinXPPRo it showed that> IIS, and JRUN are both running.> [G] After mucking about with it for an hour, I decided to uninstall it> and try again.> [H] uninstalling CFMX7 removed my CFMX6.1 CFIDE folder, so my CFMX,> working, administrator was broken.> [I] I reinstalled CFMX7, and no change - still didnt work. I decided> that despite all the claims to the contrary, it didnt like being on a> windowsXPPro PC with CFMX6.1> [J] I uninstalled all versions of CFMX and reinstalled CFMX7.> [K] No change to the situation in F, except now i didnt have CFMX6.1> either. Now none of my dev sites work and the only way to do work is> to edit in dreamweaver, and upload to the production and test there.> BAD!!> [L] On the advice from a helpful CF-Talk-er, I ran the batch files to> connect to JRUN and IIS, but while they both ran without giving> errors, it made no difference.> [M] on another suggestion of a helpful CF-Talk-er, I Uninstalled it> yet again, rebooted a couple of times, to ensure no trace of CFMX7> remained, then disconnected from ASDL, turned off anti-virus and> firewall, and ran the install again. Nothing different. Still IIS is> working, ColdFusion isnt.>
If anyone has any better ideas, I'm at a loss as to what to try next.> I've got my back against the wall now, because the only way I can work> on any sites is to work directly on the live or the client-viewable> staging sites.>
Cheers> Mike Kear> Windsor, NSW, Australia> Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer> AFP Webworks> http://afpwebworks.com> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month>
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Yes I could and unless I resolve this soon, that's what I'll have to do, but I would rather install CF7.
If I go back to CFMX6.1 now, I will most likely never try out CF7. It will never find it's way into my hosting company and I will never let a client of mine have it either, because I wont trust it.
Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:13:07 +0000, Mac Jordan <mac.jordan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> can't you reinstall the dev copy of MX6?>
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I tried to map the extensions in IIS manually, but I couldn't find a ..exe file to map it to. I dont know what the name and location of the file is that it's supposed to associate .cfm to, now that it's not a windows application.
But why should I have to do that? Run two batch files to connect to the IIS, and then manually go into IIS and map the extensions to (what ..exe or .dll is it supposed to connect to actually?)
If I have to manually do one part of the installation (without any documentation to tell me how by the way!!!!) how many other parts will I have to do manually? The documentation says how to verify the installatoin has gone properly, but says nothing whatever about what to do if it hasn't.
I dont know enough about what's going on under the hood to do it manually with no documentation, no checklist and no instructions.
Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:18:42 -0000, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <Neil.Robertson-Ravo-OVe770fkhX4xS3q+KiyLeA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Mike, have you verified that .cfm files can indeed be parsed by JRun? i.e.> in IIS is the .cfm extension mapped to the correct .dll/.exe>
Adrocknaphobia 23 February 2005 16:35:52 [ permanent link ]
Mike, I really don't mean to be rude, but I think your statements are way off. Most likely this problem is between the monitor and the chair. I'm running your same setup, in addition to 4 other setups without problem.
-Adam
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:27:30 +1100, Mike Kear <afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Yes I could and unless I resolve this soon, that's what I'll have to> do, but I would rather install CF7.>
If I go back to CFMX6.1 now, I will most likely never try out CF7. It> will never find it's way into my hosting company and I will never let> a client of mine have it either, because I wont trust it.>
Cheers> Mike Kear> Windsor, NSW, Australia> Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer> AFP Webworks> http://afpwebworks.com> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month>
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:13:07 +0000, Mac Jordan <mac.jordan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > can't you reinstall the dev copy of MX6?> >
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Adrocknaphobia 23 February 2005 16:47:55 [ permanent link ]
You want to map them to a jrun.dll. Not an .exe.
-Adam
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:34:43 +1100, Mike Kear <afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I tried to map the extensions in IIS manually, but I couldn't find a> ..exe file to map it to. I dont know what the name and location of the> file is that it's supposed to associate .cfm to, now that it's not a> windows application.>
But why should I have to do that? Run two batch files to connect to> the IIS, and then manually go into IIS and map the extensions to (what> ..exe or .dll is it supposed to connect to actually?)>
If I have to manually do one part of the installation (without any> documentation to tell me how by the way!!!!) how many other parts will> I have to do manually? The documentation says how to verify the> installatoin has gone properly, but says nothing whatever about what> to do if it hasn't.>
I dont know enough about what's going on under the hood to do it> manually with no documentation, no checklist and no instructions.>
Cheers> Mike Kear> Windsor, NSW, Australia> Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer> AFP Webworks> http://afpwebworks.com> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month>
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:18:42 -0000, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)> <Neil.Robertson-Ravo-OVe770fkhX4xS3q+KiyLeA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Mike, have you verified that .cfm files can indeed be parsed by JRun? i.e.> > in IIS is the .cfm extension mapped to the correct .dll/.exe> >
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Thanks Adam. Lets suppose I havent got a clue what I'm talking about. (It's possible. My wife is convinced of that and reminds me constantly)
How come I have now tried to install CF7 a dozen times and it's never worked, and there's nothing anywhere that helps me find out what's wrong? Where are the Macromedia support pages to help people like me who can't seem to muster the intelligence to install an application, even after over 24 years of experience on PCs and another 12 years on other computers before that?
And what about all the other people who are watching this exchange carefully, waiting for a resolution because it might help them in the same predicament?
I'm not saying CF7 never installs correctly. But it sure wouldn't install for me.
When I had install problems with CFMX6.0 on our server machine, it took three WEEKS or my hassling and whinging and complaining and making a bloody nuisance of myself before someone from Macromedia popped their head up and acknowledged that perhaps I had a problem. As a result, they discovered that CFMX6 wouldnt install on a common server configuration at the time and required a 256 colour graphics card. AND it turned out that DOZENS of others were having the same problem. And no one at Macromedia had noticed that when they changed the install program they used, that the minimum spec for the target machine had changed.
I'm not prepared ot accept that just because it installs ok for you, that it's MY fault that it doesnt install for me. Not yet anyway. It might be my fault, but if all those thousands of others can install it ok, why can't I? I want to know the answer to that question and i'm surprised you dont too.
Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:35:52 -0500, Adrocknaphobia <adrocknaphobia-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Mike, I really don't mean to be rude, but I think your statements are> way off. Most likely this problem is between the monitor and the> chair. I'm running your same setup, in addition to 4 other setups> without problem.>
-Adam>
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Michael T. Tangorre 23 February 2005 17:11:36 [ permanent link ]
From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org] > Thanks Adam. Lets suppose I havent got a clue what I'm talking about.> (It's possible. My wife is convinced of that and reminds me> constantly)> I'm not prepared ot accept that just because it installs ok for you,> that it's MY fault that it doesnt install for me. Not yet anyway. > It might be my fault, but if all those thousands of others can install> it ok, why can't I? I want to know the answer to that question and> i'm surprised you dont too.
Since you are definitely in the minority when it comes CFMX 7 installation troubles, and days of Q/A on cf-talk has not gotten you further, I would venture to guess that in all the emails back and forth with the list cost you about the same as a single incident call to MM support. Have you considered that?
Jeff Fleitz 23 February 2005 17:13:02 [ permanent link ]
Hi Mike,
I am using XP Pro SP2 with the multiserver config, but the config shown here should be the same. See if this helps.
Jeff
Mike Kear wrote:> Yes I could and unless I resolve this soon, that's what I'll have to> do, but I would rather install CF7.>
If I go back to CFMX6.1 now, I will most likely never try out CF7. It> will never find it's way into my hosting company and I will never let> a client of mine have it either, because I wont trust it.>
Cheers> Mike Kear> Windsor, NSW, Australia> Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer> AFP Webworks> http://afpwebworks.com> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month>
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:13:07 +0000, Mac Jordan <mac.jordan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:>
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Jeff Fleitz 23 February 2005 17:17:42 [ permanent link ]
Hi Mike,
I am using XP Pro SP2 with the multiserver config, but the config shown here should be the same. See if this helps.
Jeff
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:57:45 +1100, Mike Kear <afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Thanks Adam. Lets suppose I havent got a clue what I'm talking about.> (It's possible. My wife is convinced of that and reminds me> constantly)>
How come I have now tried to install CF7 a dozen times and it's never> worked, and there's nothing anywhere that helps me find out what's> wrong? Where are the Macromedia support pages to help people like me> who can't seem to muster the intelligence to install an application,> even after over 24 years of experience on PCs and another 12 years on> other computers before that?>
And what about all the other people who are watching this exchange> carefully, waiting for a resolution because it might help them in the> same predicament?>
I'm not saying CF7 never installs correctly. But it sure wouldn't> install for me.>
When I had install problems with CFMX6.0 on our server machine, it> took three WEEKS or my hassling and whinging and complaining and> making a bloody nuisance of myself before someone from Macromedia> popped their head up and acknowledged that perhaps I had a problem.> As a result, they discovered that CFMX6 wouldnt install on a common> server configuration at the time and required a 256 colour graphics> card. AND it turned out that DOZENS of others were having the same> problem. And no one at Macromedia had noticed that when they changed> the install program they used, that the minimum spec for the target> machine had changed.>
I'm not prepared ot accept that just because it installs ok for you,> that it's MY fault that it doesnt install for me. Not yet anyway.> It might be my fault, but if all those thousands of others can install> it ok, why can't I? I want to know the answer to that question and> i'm surprised you dont too.>
Cheers> Mike Kear> Windsor, NSW, Australia> Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer> AFP Webworks> http://afpwebworks.com> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month.>
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:35:52 -0500, Adrocknaphobia> <adrocknaphobia-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Mike, I really don't mean to be rude, but I think your statements are> > way off. Most likely this problem is between the monitor and the> > chair. I'm running your same setup, in addition to 4 other setups> > without problem.> >
-Adam> >
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Charlie Griefer 23 February 2005 17:23:57 [ permanent link ]
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:11:36 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre <mtangorre-703yUSXM+zxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Since you are definitely in the minority when it comes CFMX 7 installation> troubles, and days of Q/A on cf-talk has not gotten you further, I would> venture to guess that in all the emails back and forth with the list cost> you about the same as a single incident call to MM support. Have you> considered that?
Isn't MM tech support free for installation issues?
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[A] there is no MM support in Australia. for the last 8 years at least, any Australian support is restricted to "is it plugged in?" except through resources such as this list and teh CFAUSSIE list. [B] I only get to work on this currently at 10pm till 2am
[C] I'm far from alone. MM clearly have an issue that they need to address, even if only through help documentation, and if I just shut up and forget it, it's not going to get fixed. Just like the 256colour thing in CFMX6.0. (Did anyone notice on the system requirements, it now says that a 256 colour graphics card is REQUIRED on the server? That came about because calls to MM support got nowhere, and I made a fuss on CF-TALK, until some wonderful and helpful people from MM's MX engineering picked the issue up and helped us out)
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:11:36 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre <mtangorre-703yUSXM+zxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org]> > Thanks Adam. Lets suppose I havent got a clue what I'm talking about.> > (It's possible. My wife is convinced of that and reminds me> > constantly)> > I'm not prepared ot accept that just because it installs ok for you,> > that it's MY fault that it doesnt install for me. Not yet anyway.> > It might be my fault, but if all those thousands of others can install> > it ok, why can't I? I want to know the answer to that question and> > i'm surprised you dont too.>
Since you are definitely in the minority when it comes CFMX 7 installation> troubles, and days of Q/A on cf-talk has not gotten you further, I would> venture to guess that in all the emails back and forth with the list cost> you about the same as a single incident call to MM support. Have you> considered that?>
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:17:42 -0500, Jeff Fleitz <jfleitz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hi Mike,>
I am using XP Pro SP2 with the multiserver config, but the config> shown here should be the same. See if this helps.>
Jeff>
Thanks Jeff .....
.... shown where?
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Virtual mapping? Another thing that I have to do manually? Is there a list somewhere of all the things I have to do manually since the install routine isnt doing it?
No, there's no virtual mapping in IIS to any jrun directory.
And when I attempt to manually map the .cfm and .cfml extensions in IIS5.1, it wont enable the "OK" or "APPLY" buttons, so I can't add the mappings to IIS.
Does anyone know why this might happen? The environment is WinXPPRO with SP2 and all updates up till this morning applied.
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:23:41 -0500, Adrocknaphobia <adrocknaphobia-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Is there a virtual mapping to the JRunScripts directory?>
Jeff Fleitz 23 February 2005 17:54:26 [ permanent link ]
I attached an image. Guess it got clipped... I will send it off list.
Jeff
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:32:25 +1100, Mike Kear <afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:17:42 -0500, Jeff Fleitz <jfleitz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Hi Mike,> >
I am using XP Pro SP2 with the multiserver config, but the config> > shown here should be the same. See if this helps.> >
Jeff> >
Thanks Jeff .....>
.... shown where?>
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Adrocknaphobia 23 February 2005 17:58:19 [ permanent link ]
Well 99% of the time you do not have to do this manually. However there are numerous reasons why CF wouldnt be able to perform this automatically. Usually involving how you setup IIS and system privelages. As a professional hosting company, it may we worth learning the ins and outs of the servers you must manage.
Located the wsconfig directory. Usually at <cf-root>/runtime/lib/wsconfig
There you should see numbered directories. You want to map a numbered directory to IIS and name the virtual mapping 'JRunScripts'. This directory holds the jrun.dll that you want to associated with cfm templates.
Under Application Settings - Configuration in IIS, you should be able to add entries for file extension and link them to the jrun.dll.
Under ISAPI Filters you want to add the Filter Name of JRun Connector Filter and link it to the same jrun.dll.
-Adam
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:36:23 +1100, Mike Kear <afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Virtual mapping? Another thing that I have to do manually? Is> there a list somewhere of all the things I have to do manually since> the install routine isnt doing it?>
No, there's no virtual mapping in IIS to any jrun directory.>
And when I attempt to manually map the .cfm and .cfml extensions in> IIS5.1, it wont enable the "OK" or "APPLY" buttons, so I can't add the> mappings to IIS.>
Does anyone know why this might happen? The environment is WinXPPRO> with SP2 and all updates up till this morning applied.>
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:23:41 -0500, Adrocknaphobia> <adrocknaphobia-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Is there a virtual mapping to the JRunScripts directory?> >
-Adam> >
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Robert Munn 23 February 2005 20:13:42 [ permanent link ]
Mike,
I sympathize with your problem. The multiserver install is quite a bit more complicated than the standalone install. The biggest issue always seems to be getting the connector installed properly, which is where you seem to be stuck. Can you at least get to the JRun Management Console (from the server, http://127.0.0.1:8000/). If you can get the JRun Console open, then you really are not that far from having a running system.
There should be a folder %JRun_root%/lib/wsconfig/. That is where the config information for connections to an external Web server are stored. The wsconfig GUI makes numbered folders inside that folder- 1,2,3, etc, for each external Web server connection you create. If that isn't working, you can create the connection manually. It's a pain, but I got the hang of it and now I just prefer to do everything by hand. I'm running Apache, though, so your config will differ somewhat from mine. I have a disabled IIS install from 6.1 that I will borrow from.
The basic config goes like this:
1. Create a folder inside %JRun_root%/lib/wsconfig. Call it whatever you want- I use the name of the CF server I created rather than a number like wsconfig uses by default. cfusion is the name of the default CF server the installer creates.
2. Inside that folder, create a text file called jrunserver.store. Open the file with Notepad and add this line:
where %server_port% is the proxy port for the cfusion server (or other CF server you have created) in the JRun Management Console. You'll find that proxy port value right on the opening page on the JMC.
3. Inside the same folder, create a text file called jrun_iis6_wildcard.ini. In the file add the lines:
verbose=false serverstore=%JRun_root%/wsconfig/%foldername%/jrunserver.store bootstrap=127.0.0.1:%server_port% apialloc=false ssl=false #errorurl=<optionally redirect to this URL on errors>
where %JRun_root% is the full path to JRun, e.g. c:/JRun4, %foldername% is the name of the folder where you created the file and %server_port% is the same as step 2.
4. Find the JRun ISAPI filter for IIS. I think it is called jrun_iis6_wildcard.dll. Can anyone else confirm whether that is the same in 7 as in 6.x? I don't know if that same dll is used for XP, this was from a Server 2003 install. The IIS 5 file was called jrun.dll.
5. Copy the .dll ISAPI filter from Step 4 into the folder you created under wsconfig. You will point to that copy of the file for your IIS config.
6. In IIS, select your Web site, select Home Directory, click Configuration. Under Mappings, click Insert next to Wildcard Application Mappings. Point to the dll file. My install in 6.1 pointed here: C:\JRun4\lib\wsconfig\2\jrun_iis6_wildcard.dll.
7. Back in the wsconfig folder, make a text file called wsconfig.properties. I'm borrowing from a 6.1 server config again. In the text file, add these lines: 1=IIS,1,false,"" 1.srv=localhost,"cfusion" 1.cfmx=true,<null>
where "cfusion" is the name of the CF Server in the JMC.
Stop and start JRun Admin Server Service, JRun Default Server Service, and JRun CFusion Server Service.
First thing- run the CF Admin. It will want to install ODBC services, etc. to finish the configuration.
I hope that helps, anyone with clarification or corrections?
Rob
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I dont have any servers I administer, except my own dev servers. I resell space on servers that are running perfectly well and are adminstered by someone else. They are running on CFMX6.1. I am now trying to learn about CF7 so I stay up to date, and help decide if we move our servers over to CF7. At the moment, the answer's a resounding NO, because if it doesnt go perfectly, there will be no official help (i wouldn't be buying from Australia because it's not installed in Australia) and if I try to use the principal help, herre on Cf-Talk i'll be criticised by the members of the list for daring to seek help here.
Nope. This is a standard WinXPPro/SP2 installation with all the updates. (I always let Microsoft apps pick their own defaults too) The folder structure isnt laid out like that at all. Remember I just allowed the install routine to have all its defaults. The install routine made up its own mind about how to install. (I learned years ago not to try to change default settings on a new product)
I have C:\CFusionMX7\runtime\lib\wsconfig but no numbered folders at all. In that swconfig folder is only the file jrunwin32.dll
have no jrun folders.
IIS won't allow me to add mappings to extensions. The OK button is not enabled.
Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:58:19 -0500, Adrocknaphobia <adrocknaphobia-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Well 99% of the time you do not have to do this manually. However> there are numerous reasons why CF wouldnt be able to perform this> automatically. Usually involving how you setup IIS and system> privelages. As a professional hosting company, it may we worth> learning the ins and outs of the servers you must manage.>
Located the wsconfig directory. Usually at <cf-root>/runtime/lib/wsconfig>
There you should see numbered directories. You want to map a numbered> directory to IIS and name the virtual mapping 'JRunScripts'. This> directory holds the jrun.dll that you want to associated with cfm> templates.>
Under Application Settings - Configuration in IIS, you should be able> to add entries for file extension and link them to the jrun.dll.>
Under ISAPI Filters you want to add the Filter Name of JRun Connector> Filter and link it to the same jrun.dll.>
Douglas Knudsen 23 February 2005 23:48:11 [ permanent link ]
I have C:\CFusionMX7\runtime\lib\wsconfig but no numbered folders at> all. In that swconfig folder is only the file jrunwin32.dll
IIRC, you stated you were installing the multiserver version. The above does not indicate that.
Now, I understand ur frustration and all, but your servers do NOT run win XP, so getting it installed on ur XP system is no real indicative test basis for deciding on installing it on ur server. Maybe try installing it on a win2k pro or server, eh?
Doug
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:18:21 +1100, Mike Kear <afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Thanks for your suggestions Adam.>
I dont have any servers I administer, except my own dev servers. I> resell space on servers that are running perfectly well and are> adminstered by someone else. They are running on CFMX6.1. I am now> trying to learn about CF7 so I stay up to date, and help decide if we> move our servers over to CF7. At the moment, the answer's a> resounding NO, because if it doesnt go perfectly, there will be no> official help (i wouldn't be buying from Australia because it's not> installed in Australia) and if I try to use the principal help, herre> on Cf-Talk i'll be criticised by the members of the list for daring to> seek help here.>
Nope. This is a standard WinXPPro/SP2 installation with all the> updates. (I always let Microsoft apps pick their own defaults too)> The folder structure isnt laid out like that at all. Remember I just> allowed the install routine to have all its defaults. The install> routine made up its own mind about how to install. (I learned years> ago not to try to change default settings on a new product)>
I have C:\CFusionMX7\runtime\lib\wsconfig but no numbered folders at> all. In that swconfig folder is only the file jrunwin32.dll>
have no jrun folders.>
IIS won't allow me to add mappings to extensions. The OK button is not enabled.>
Cheers> Mike Kear> Windsor, NSW, Australia> Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer> AFP Webworks> http://afpwebworks.com> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month>
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:58:19 -0500, Adrocknaphobia> <adrocknaphobia-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Well 99% of the time you do not have to do this manually. However> > there are numerous reasons why CF wouldnt be able to perform this> > automatically. Usually involving how you setup IIS and system> > privelages. As a professional hosting company, it may we worth> > learning the ins and outs of the servers you must manage.> >
Located the wsconfig directory. Usually at <cf-root>/runtime/lib/wsconfig> >
There you should see numbered directories. You want to map a numbered> > directory to IIS and name the virtual mapping 'JRunScripts'. This> > directory holds the jrun.dll that you want to associated with cfm> > templates.> >
Under Application Settings - Configuration in IIS, you should be able> > to add entries for file extension and link them to the jrun.dll.> >
Under ISAPI Filters you want to add the Filter Name of JRun Connector> > Filter and link it to the same jrun.dll.> >
Michael T. Tangorre 24 February 2005 02:14:29 [ permanent link ]
From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org]
Sorry if you dont like it, but that's how it is. Now that > i've made a start on installing CF7, I am forced to continue > or throw CF7 out> entirely. As so many people have pointed out to me, lots of others> have CF7 working fine on a setup like mine, so all I want to > do is figure out why mine isnt..
You are running XP you say right? Have a broadband connection? How about you let someone remote in via remote assistance or remote desktop sharing and have a look. At least that will help determine if you are the problem or your actual setup is.
I'd be delighted to. If anyone is willing to try. Dave Watts did once, and he was extremely generous with his time in helping me resolve a problem.
Again it might well be that I am the problem. I've never said otherwise. But i can't see where i went wrong and I need some help from somewhere. That's all I'm asking for.
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:14:29 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre <mtangorre-703yUSXM+zxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org]>
Sorry if you dont like it, but that's how it is. Now that> > i've made a start on installing CF7, I am forced to continue> > or throw CF7 out> > entirely. As so many people have pointed out to me, lots of others> > have CF7 working fine on a setup like mine, so all I want to> > do is figure out why mine isnt..>
You are running XP you say right? Have a broadband connection? How about you> let someone remote in via remote assistance or remote desktop sharing and> have a look. At least that will help determine if you are the problem or> your actual setup is.>
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Michael T. Tangorre 24 February 2005 02:41:11 [ permanent link ]
Send me the remote connection request. I have about an hour before I need to head out. I will take a look.
Michael T. Tangorre
-----Original Message-----> From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org] > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:30 PM> To: CF-Talk> Subject: Re: CF7 won't run under IIS, wont install - business > almost shut down for 2 days now.>
I'd be delighted to. If anyone is willing to try. Dave Watts did> once, and he was extremely generous with his time in helping > me resolve a problem.>
Again it might well be that I am the problem. I've never > said otherwise. But i can't see where i went wrong and I > need some help from somewhere. That's all I'm asking for.>
Cheers> Mike Kear> Windsor, NSW, Australia> Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer> AFP Webworks> http://afpwebworks.com> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month>
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:14:29 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre > <mtangorre-703yUSXM+zxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebworks-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org]> >
Sorry if you dont like it, but that's how it is. Now > that i've made > > > a start on installing CF7, I am forced to continue or > throw CF7 out> > > entirely. As so many people have pointed out to me, > lots of others> > > have CF7 working fine on a setup like mine, so all I want > to do is > > > figure out why mine isnt..> >
You are running XP you say right? Have a broadband connection? How > > about you let someone remote in via remote assistance or remote > > desktop sharing and have a look. At least that will help > determine if > > you are the problem or your actual setup is.> >
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I've just sent an off-list reply to Michael, thanking him for his very kind offer but I'm not going to be at the machine in question for another 9 hours or so.
I do hope i'll be able to take him up on his offer then. Even if he's not able to help me then, I'm extremely grateful for the offer.
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:41:11 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre <mtangorre-703yUSXM+zxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Send me the remote connection request. I have about an hour before I need to> head out. I will take a look.>
Michael T. Tangorre>
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Steven Erat 24 February 2005 06:30:59 [ permanent link ]
A collage of responses follow:
surrounding the CFMX6.0 install routines. No such luck. There is > no documentation anywhere telling us what to do if the installation > doesn't go perfectly.
see if they can shed any light on what's wrong? Or give me the > Australian number where I get support between 9pm and 2am?
http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/cf_single.html (415) 252-9080. They usually don't care if you call this from overseas, and I sometimes get calls from Europe to South Africa, and yes to Australia. This support page says, "APAC: Available US hours only. Monday through Friday, 8 am-8 pm, Eastern time zone." APAC support hours are roughly equivlant to 12a-12n for eastern Australia. Overlapping business hours are 8a-12n your time. Your 9p-2a requirement is roughly equal to 5a-10a eastern time in the US. That provides 2 hours right there, maybe less, depending. Looking at the timestamp on your email posts it appears that your are seeking support on CFTalk between 6am and 6pm US eastern time.
[C] ... MM clearly have an issue that they need to > address, even if only through help documentation, and if I just shut > up and forget it, it's not going to get fixed.
See the links above
And not only am I not demanding things of Sean, I am most grateful > that he said anything. But he offered to pass it on to the > installation guys. Sean did that himself off his own bat. I didnt > even know there was a team called "the installation guys".
There is no team called "the installation guys". There is, however, Macromedia ColdFusion Support, of mixed gender, too.
MM in Australia dont have help for people like me.
Sorry if you dont like it, but that's how it is. Now that i've made a > start on installing CF7, I am forced to continue or throw CF7 out > entirely. As so many people have pointed out to me, lots of others > have CF7 working fine on a setup like mine, so all I want to do is > figure out why mine isnt..
I'd be willing to do a (free) Breeze Live desktop sharing session with you. Provide a list of time windows in a private reply and I'll let you know if any of them work for me.
-Steven Erat Macromedia Support
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Thanks for this Steven, I'm glad you sorted out all these links for me. Some of them arent relevant, but some are.
For example, you say that the manual configuration procedure which describes CFMX6.1 also works for CF7. How would I have known that? Remember this is the first time I've come in direct contact with the product. Anyway, I'll read through these links and see whether any of them solve the problems.
I have my doubt about whether the CF7 download is the source of the problem, because I can't get the web server configuratoin tool to allow me to click the OK button. And i can't get IIS to let me add a file extension to the mappings. Sounds like a windows problem, but how I find out what the problem is, I have no idea. Windows appears to be working properly in all other respects as far as I know.
Thanks for the references to Macromedia support too, but I'll reserve judgement on whether they can help. In the 9 years I've been dealing with Macromedia and Allaire before them, I've never had a support questoin answered by them. THey've always done the basic "is it turned on?" "Is it plugged into the wall?" type questoins then when I've wasted an hour on that, escalated it upwards where I've waited and waited and waited for a contact back, and eventually had the problem solved by someone on CF-Talk or CF-Aussie. I gave up even trying to use MM support. most people I know have too, except for those with enough purchasing dollars clout to have bells rining in MM when they call.
Thanks for the offer of the breeze session. If it's ok with you, I'll read through the links you've given me to see if the solution is there, then take you up on your offer after that if the matter is still unresolved. Is that ok?
Regardless, after the fuss I've caused, I'll be posting the outcome here on the list, so everyone else can see how it turned out.
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:30:59 -0500, Steven Erat <talkingtree-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> A collage of responses follow:
[snip]
I'd be willing to do a (free) Breeze Live desktop sharing session with> you. Provide a list of time windows in a private reply and I'll let you> know if any of them work for me.>
-Steven Erat> Macromedia Support>
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Michael T. Tangorre 24 February 2005 17:07:24 [ permanent link ]
From: Peter Farrell [mailtojf-NLmVdgAY8PsNHcnyn0aEA/pXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org] > Mike, I had problems with getting CFMX7 installed on WinXPPro > with Apache 2.0. I downloaded the installer on the Monday > that it came out (like 1am). I must of had bad luck. It > rendered my computer, well - I had 10 hours of > troubleshooting to get it up again. For the life of me, > quite a few things when wrong.
I have installed CFMX 7 on a variety of mahcines now under a variety of configurations and have only had one problem. Perhaps this is your issue. Our local dev boxes (desktop machines) are loaded with all kinds of software. There are processes running in the background that we don't even know about. The average XP user has ALL the default services running, etc. The key to getting around one XP install for me was to shut down all programs, all unnecessary services, clear the event logs, etc. Reboot. Reinstall. Check the error logs and event logs. All was good. Perhaps the people having so many problems have not shut down all the things running which are not necessary to get CFMX 7 installed! Close down IM, Email, Homesite, etc...... Usually I ignore the "Please close down all running programs.. blah blah blah" when installing new stuff, but when I do ignore it and the installation goes awry I always start there. Anyway, just something to think about. Good luck.
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Peter Farrell 24 February 2005 18:35:41 [ permanent link ]
No, I doubt the it was because of other programs. I always shut down just about everything - habit from the good old DOS days (except we didn't have services_. I would have even done it in Safe Mode if I could have. Actually, one of the problems was when CFMX7 installed itself - on restart - some of the critical services wouldn't even start (like RPC).
I barely had anything running when I installed. It tried anything to get CFMX7 running - the only thing I could get running without crashes was putting CFMX7 on stand-alone with the built-in server.
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Peter Farrell 24 February 2005 19:11:21 [ permanent link ]
It's not that I couldn't get it to play with Apache. I did get CF parse cfm files and apache to serve them. That wasn't the problem. It was the java.lang.OutOfMemory errors that were the problem. JRUN would eat up it's entire memory allocation (512MB) within 5 minutes and this is on a dev machine. This was happening with only one or two requests and with code known to work from a production server (6.1). As I said before, I played with the jvm arguments (blog posting from sargeway.com). After one request, you could like in the task manager and just the MB's being eaten up.
I have been in software development and games development for > nearly 26 years, and in that time I have always seen products > released before they should have been released it has never > changed. But the powers to be wanted this out quickly to > generate some cash flow into the company and that's what it > is all about.
Well, of course products are released before all the bugs are fixed. In some cases, before some known major bugs are fixed. But how do you think programmers' salaries are paid? Most software companies don't have a bottomless well of money that they can draw from. A company like iD Software can say "we'll release it when it's ready" because they can just stop buying new Ferraris for a while, but most companies don't have that luxury. Even if they do, most public companies' shareholders wouldn't tolerate that anyway. You're absolutely right - money is exactly what it's all about. Unfortunately, I can't see it being any other way.
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Sean Corfield 25 February 2005 11:42:32 [ permanent link ]
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:03:11 +1100, Andrew Scott <acs-QlE/QeR8B2WHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Having been privileged to NDA information here is my point of view.>
This product was rushed to be released there are some very serious bugs in> this product, and due to being reminded of my NDA on another list I'll say> this:
Since CFMX 7 had the longest beta test of any version of ColdFusion ever, I don't think it is fair or accurate to claim it was "rushed to be released" especially since you are trying to justify this claim with reference to "NDA information".
My experience is that CFMX 7 is rock solid. Our order management systems have been running on it in production since early December with not a single outage. The whole macromedia.com website is running on it and during the upgrade we found only three problems - two of which were due to our code relying on bugs in 6.1 that got fixed in 7.
At the end of the day, I am with mike on this, because of a know issue in> the product that impedes the reports side of things I'll not use it in> production for at least 12 months or until I am 100% sure that the issues I> know are there are fixed.
What is this "know issue"?
I also put in a request for a change in the installation, but this was never> considered
Er, that isn't true. Your suggestion was discussed and reasons were given for why it wasn't feasible for this release, as I recall. But of course, that's "NDA information" and so no one can legally challenge your assertion, eh? -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 48, yes 48, invites to give away!
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Micha Schopman 25 February 2005 12:19:34 [ permanent link ]
Not to mention, most people still think Macromedia is a huge club with large numbers of employees. You see the same issues with Breeze, where it has been priced higher (towards Enterprise) on purpose because of insufficient service resources Questions on the Breeze forums stay unanswered.
Regarding bugs, they will always be there and yes they can be annoying, but don't forget the resources are limited.
Until Macromedia pro-actively starts marketing on ColdFusion in other countries and put some of their Flash/Contribute resources to the dark side these issues continue and resources stay limited. That starts with a larger announcement on the MM landing page, not some itsy bitsy tiny CF box ;)
There is enough content for a commercial like reporting, charting, speed, etc. Btw, I like CFMX blue more than the Breeze green/brown/gray. CFMX just needs more exposure.
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Calvin Ward 25 February 2005 14:45:15 [ permanent link ]
When I have an issue with getting CFMX up and running, first I go with the shutting down all other options, and then I go for the built in web server option in the install. If that does the trick, then I know it's an IIS,Apache, etc issue.
- Calvin
-----Original Message----- From: Peter Farrell [mailtojf-NLmVdgAY8PsNHcnyn0aEA/pXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF7 won't run under IIS, wont install - business almost shut down for 2 days now.
No, I doubt the it was because of other programs. I always shut down just about everything - habit from the good old DOS days (except we didn't have services_. I would have even done it in Safe Mode if I could have. Actually, one of the problems was when CFMX7 installed itself - on restart - some of the critical services wouldn't even start (like RPC).
I barely had anything running when I installed. It tried anything to get CFMX7 running - the only thing I could get running without crashes was putting CFMX7 on stand-alone with the built-in server.
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Matt Woodward 25 February 2005 16:14:29 [ permanent link ]
Until Macromedia pro-actively starts marketing on ColdFusion in other>countries and put some of their Flash/Contribute resources to the dark>side these issues continue and resources stay limited. That starts with>a larger announcement on the MM landing page, not some itsy bitsy tiny>CF box ;)
CFMX 7 was in (may still be in) that top banner area on many of the non-US Macromedia sites.
Micha Schopman 25 February 2005 17:40:35 [ permanent link ]
I haven't seen it once ?! I only see the Breeze, Web Publishing System, and Volvo ads. I suppose MM would make no difference in promoting different regions.
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-----Original Message----- From: Matt Woodward [mailto:mpwoodward-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org] Sent: vrijdag 25 februari 2005 14:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF7 won't run under IIS, wont install - business almost shut down for 2 days now.
Until Macromedia pro-actively starts marketing on ColdFusion in other>countries and put some of their Flash/Contribute resources to the dark>side these issues continue and resources stay limited. That starts with>a larger announcement on the MM landing page, not some itsy bitsy tiny>CF box ;)
CFMX 7 was in (may still be in) that top banner area on many of the non-US Macromedia sites.
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Bryan Stevenson 25 February 2005 18:59:55 [ permanent link ]
CFMX just needs more exposure.
You got that right Micha...but I stopped barking up that tree a few years ago...my throat was getting sore
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Sean Corfield 25 February 2005 19:26:33 [ permanent link ]
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:16:07 -0800, Bryan Stevenson <bryan-lmTtMILVy1jq3mzM/vGWq2Ztm2MBb6oo@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Now I know MM is east coast...
We're headquartered in San Francisco and that's where most of our staff are.
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Bryan Stevenson 25 February 2005 19:36:09 [ permanent link ]
Well that sure is odd Sean...as MM always said (when I've asked for presentors and why the conferences are always east coast)....that it was becuase they were based on the east coast??
Did HQ change recently....or am I confused with good old Allaire?
Cheers
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Bryan Stevenson 25 February 2005 19:46:20 [ permanent link ]
MM is west coast, and a $35 million (in revenue) / year company isn't> really all that large.
Yep...I stand corrected (although it is an excuse that MM has used with me before).
The point is that they ignore a $35 million/year company that mainly works for the government. If you can switch the company...you can start to switch the government....and that leads to the government asking other large companies to use CF.
Java is king here....do you think the Java based CF that can run on J2EE servers and can be coded far faster than Java might find a nice comfy home here....hmmmmmmmm
Cheers
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Bryan Stevenson 25 February 2005 20:32:34 [ permanent link ]
Ahhh...thanks Dave...I was pretty dang sure I wasn't losing it
The consultant I mentioned was part of a local company that had a division sold to Allaire (and moved to Boston) just before MM took over (and he stayed in Boston working on Flash Remoting for MM).
Cheers
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Well that sure is odd Sean...as MM always said (when I've > asked for presentors and why the conferences are always east > coast)....that it was becuase they were based on the east coast??>
Did HQ change recently....or am I confused with good old Allaire?
While Macromedia's central offices are in San Francisco, the CF server development team is still located in Newton, MA, in the former Allaire office I think.
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Matthew Small 25 February 2005 20:56:08 [ permanent link ]
" MM is west coast, and a $35 million (in revenue) / year company isn't really all that large."
I'd think that when you consider your business is too good to jump for a $35 million/year customer, you'd better start looking for another job. That's just a bad outlook on business.
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Adrocknaphobia 25 February 2005 21:01:26 [ permanent link ]
I work for the govt and I get tremendous support from MM.
-Adam
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:46:20 -0800, Bryan Stevenson <bryan-lmTtMILVy1jq3mzM/vGWq2Ztm2MBb6oo@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > MM is west coast, and a $35 million (in revenue) / year company isn't> > really all that large.>
Yep...I stand corrected (although it is an excuse that MM has used with me> before).>
The point is that they ignore a $35 million/year company that mainly works> for the government. If you can switch the company...you can start to switch> the government....and that leads to the government asking other large> companies to use CF.>
Java is king here....do you think the Java based CF that can run on J2EE> servers and can be coded far faster than Java might find a nice comfy home> here....hmmmmmmmm >
Cheers>
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Adrocknaphobia 25 February 2005 21:03:59 [ permanent link ]
One, if the govt is outsourcing projects, it doesnt matter what language or technology they are written in. An outsourced CF project is outsourced because it is most likely a stovepipe app meant for use by a single bureau. Being that it is a stovepipe app, the technology used will do little to change the agency as a whole.
-Adam
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:46:20 -0800, Bryan Stevenson <bryan-lmTtMILVy1jq3mzM/vGWq2Ztm2MBb6oo@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > MM is west coast, and a $35 million (in revenue) / year company isn't> > really all that large.>
Yep...I stand corrected (although it is an excuse that MM has used with me> before).>
The point is that they ignore a $35 million/year company that mainly works> for the government. If you can switch the company...you can start to switch> the government....and that leads to the government asking other large> companies to use CF.>
Java is king here....do you think the Java based CF that can run on J2EE> servers and can be coded far faster than Java might find a nice comfy home> here....hmmmmmmmm >
Cheers>
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Bryan Stevenson 25 February 2005 21:15:04 [ permanent link ]
what country you in Adam...and on what coast?
I get zero support from MM....but yes there are some federal govt (not provinicial as I mentioned) departmnets that use CF (one is our client).
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Bryan Stevenson 25 February 2005 21:16:49 [ permanent link ]
Perhaps in your experience Adam....but the fed govt. department I just mentioned uses CF for most of it's apps...and we are there to do the high end and overflow work their own developers can't handle
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Adrocknaphobia 25 February 2005 21:44:09 [ permanent link ]
.... Hrmmm... I just assumed you meant the US govt. My Bad.
I work out of Washington, DC.
-Adam
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:16:49 -0800, Bryan Stevenson <bryan-lmTtMILVy1jq3mzM/vGWq2Ztm2MBb6oo@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Perhaps in your experience Adam....but the fed govt. department I just> mentioned uses CF for most of it's apps...and we are there to do the high> end and overflow work their own developers can't handle >
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Joe Rinehart 25 February 2005 21:50:48 [ permanent link ]
Matt,
Either I misunderstood what was said or you've misunderstood what I meant...a company the size of mine or Macromedia should definitely jump through some hoops for a customer that's worth $35 million per year in revenue. However, a consulting firm that _brings in_ $35 million a year isn't a terribly large firm, and your company's cut of that revenue spent on your services is likely to be fairly small. Sure, it's a lot of money to you (I assume) or me, but compared to a large consulting firm, it's not that much.
-Joe
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:56:08 -0500, Matthew Small <msmall-HtQ3t1l3n5bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> " MM is west coast, and a $35 million (in revenue) / year company isn't> really all that large.">
I'd think that when you consider your business is too good to jump for a $35> million/year customer, you'd better start looking for another job. That's> just a bad outlook on business.>
Adrocknaphobia 25 February 2005 21:54:38 [ permanent link ]
Jeah, but outta that 35mil, how much will MM ever see?
-Adam
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:50:48 -0500, Joe Rinehart <joe.rinehart-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Matt,>
Either I misunderstood what was said or you've misunderstood what I> meant...a company the size of mine or Macromedia should definitely> jump through some hoops for a customer that's worth $35 million per> year in revenue. However, a consulting firm that _brings in_ $35> million a year isn't a terribly large firm, and your company's cut of> that revenue spent on your services is likely to be fairly small.> Sure, it's a lot of money to you (I assume) or me, but compared to a> large consulting firm, it's not that much.>
-Joe>
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:56:08 -0500, Matthew Small <msmall-HtQ3t1l3n5bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > " MM is west coast, and a $35 million (in revenue) / year company isn't> > really all that large."> >
I'd think that when you consider your business is too good to jump for a $35> > million/year customer, you'd better start looking for another job. That's> > just a bad outlook on business.> >
- Matt Small> >
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Bryan Stevenson 25 February 2005 21:54:48 [ permanent link ]
Joe...dollar values aside...the point is they don't even try...and that is truly sad
....but that's OK...I don't mind taking the business
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Thanks Steven, I was unsure how to do that. I thought about adding the resolution to the bottom of this one, but I figured lots of people will be totally annoyed with this one and not read it, but a new thread meant this one didnt have the resolution to it.
Good idea. Thanks.
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Calvin Ward 28 February 2005 13:24:02 [ permanent link ]
While it hasn't been yet in the top banner area of the MM site that I've noticed... What's up with that?
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Until Macromedia pro-actively starts marketing on ColdFusion in other>countries and put some of their Flash/Contribute resources to the dark>side these issues continue and resources stay limited. That starts with>a larger announcement on the MM landing page, not some itsy bitsy tiny>CF box ;)
CFMX 7 was in (may still be in) that top banner area on many of the non-US Macromedia sites.
Matt
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